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#123867 - 01/14/11 12:43 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios]
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A few thoughts....

It certainly is possible that there was lepto from the information that you posted. There isn't a way to rule it out at this point. Lepto is treated with either penicillin or doxycycline, so if it was lepto, the right antibiotic was used.

However, there have been many times on the tick list and the forums that I have seen this exact same thing occur with anaplasmosis/ehrlichia.

I guess a factor that tips it toward lepto is the rat issue. Most of the lepto here will have increased kidney values, but from what you wrote, sometimes it can be only liver values that are the issue.

I also would question whether this doctor has any experience with anaplasmosis/ehrlichia. Many vets don't have much experience and I suspect that doctors much much less.

The rat issue....that complicates things. It sounds like one of those things that you will never know, and that is difficult frown And maybe you're right, having the anaplasmosa, made it impossible for him to fight possible lepto.

I just don't know Helios....
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#123914 - 01/14/11 09:43 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa]
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And yes, like you said many vets don't have much experience and doctors well.. much much less experience. But when the nephrologist saw the results he said that It was lepto,I won't really find out actually and neither will I base a diagnosis thanks to what the doctor said but since everything started this past saturday, when he was fetching that rat, I thot..hey..what if it was actually lepto?.

Thanks Lisa hugging
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#123932 - 01/14/11 10:25 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios]
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Well. You just taught me a bunch of stuff about lepto that I didn't know, that it can present like chronic ehrlichia, including the platelets.

It's nice to have the closure of knowing why they died, but it sure doesn't take away the loneliness that they leave behind frown
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#123939 - 01/14/11 11:18 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Helios,

I am just now seeing this. So sorry for your loss. hugging

We have a lot of rats in my neighborhood and several dogs have died, very quickly, from lepto. I agree that the combo of the two diseases would have been deadly.
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#127270 - 01/24/11 08:22 PM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: BowWowMeow]
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Thanks bow smile

We went to the vet, he's done with the ancylostomas, we got rid of them thumbup

And the results this time were:

Hemoglobin...15.5 g g/dl
Hematocrit.....46.5% (37-55%)
Erythrocytes...6.63
MCH............33.3
MCV............73.2
MCHC............23.3
Leukocytes......20100/mm3
Platelets: 149.000

The differential

Segmental Neutrophis.......54% 10854
Segmental Eosinophil.... 2% 402
Segmental lymphocytes......38% 7638
Monocytes............... 6% 1206

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Last results:

Hemoglobin...14,6 g g/dl
Hematocrit.....43.8% (37-55%)
Erythrocytes...5.68
MCH............33.5
MCV............77.0
MCHC............25.8
Leukocytes......15.400/mm3
Platelets: 132.000

The differential

Segmental Neutrophis.......52% 8008
Segmental Eosinophil....11% 1694
Segmental lymphocytes......27% 4158
Monocytes............... 8% 1232


We'll be going again the next month..
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#127346 - 01/25/11 02:36 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios]
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Definitely better red blood cell and platelet numbers smile

Still some issues with the white blood cell counts.

Has he been on doxy?


Normal values from before:
Hemoglobin...(12-18 g/dl)
Hematocrit.....(37-55%)
HCM.........(31-36%)
Leukocytes......(5.000-15.000/mm3)

Segmental Neutrophis...(3.000-11.500/mm3)
Segmental Eosinophil......(100-1.000/mm3)
Segmental Basophils ......(0-100/mm3)
Segmental lymphocytes......(1.500-5.000/mm3)
Monocytes...............(less than 2.000/mm3)
Platelets: (150.000-500.000/mm3)
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#127757 - 01/26/11 07:56 PM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa]
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No since the last time, we were planing on giving him the next month since he's having too many medicines (sp?),5 ATM, maybe I should already start giving him the doxy?
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#127865 - 01/27/11 03:58 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios]
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Impressive that the platelets are getting better without the doxy, but the neutrophils and lymphocytes are rising, and it looks like one is high.

Which medications is he on?
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#127895 - 01/27/11 10:01 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa]
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vi-sorbits
promotor (vitamin+amino acids)
proderm
Artrin
Vit C

And he finished another one not too long ago. Though the Vit C and the Arthrin (Before Arthrin I was giving him Gluco+Chondroitin from Spring Valley) is something I plan to give him daily..
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#127898 - 01/27/11 10:06 AM Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios]
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We are suppose to give him those meds that I mentioned for 1 month and then do another bloodtest, though I believe that the vet isn't planning on giving him Doxy, she actually never mentioned that, I was planning on doing it after he's done with those meds
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