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#110662 - 12/02/10 02:28 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: MaxaLisa]
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So sorry to hear about Max. I agree it sounds like spondylosis, but x-rays would be needed to verify that. The boney hump on the back is classic signs though, as that is common with the arthritic bridging of the vertebrae.

And I agree, not a death sentence at all and it can be managed. Joint supplements did help a lot for sure. Kali was diagnosed with spondylosis at 6, and according to the x-rays the vet at that time was astonsihed at her lack of symptoms then. We'd noticed some subtle hackling at the base of her tail when playing and that was what prompted the x-rays, which showed half of her spine almost completely fused already. Looking at the x-rays the vet was surprised she was walking, much less running after balls.

It didn't start to really bother her until closing in on 12yo. That's when she started having trouble getting on and off the couch, or going up and down stairs on occasion, and the muscles in the back end started to atrophy and she would occasionally drag her hind feet. And by then she had a back that had such big boney bumps along her spine, from neck to tail, she sort of looked like an alligator. From the first minor signs of problems and diagnosis, and first little humps on her spine, to when it really bothered her was many years and she lead a pretty normal, active life. So with it not developing until much later, I'm sure Max will be fine for quite a while yet under your care and management.

Hugs to you and Graham and the pack and hoping for the best for Max.
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#110702 - 12/02/10 03:44 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: Chris Wild]
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Thank you Chris. Luckily those arthritic changes in the bony hump aren't yet severe.

What do you mean by "hackling at the base of her tail"? Max has a lot of low back issues too, I've been thinking cauda equina syndrome frown . His xrays weren't under anesthesia, so it's not clear what is going on in the low back.
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#110711 - 12/02/10 04:07 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: MaxaLisa]
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My Riley has cauda equina and so far is getting around fine. Had a vet visit last week, and the vet was happy to see that he was still doing well and not showing any further symptoms. He was diagnoised under anesthesia last Nov. Also read where some vets lump spondylosis and cauda equina all together rather than separating them out as individual problems.

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#110714 - 12/02/10 04:20 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa

What do you mean by "hackling at the base of her tail"?


When running, and especially if doing lots of stops and turns like when playing ball, the hair at the base of the tail in the croup area (where tail attaches to body) would stand on end. This is often a symptom of spinal problems. A dog we had years ago, Ron, had cauda equina and did this which is when we learned it was a possible warning sign. So when Kali started doing it out of the blue one day, and it persisted for a few days so we thought it might be more than a light tweek, in for x-rays we went.

Now it doesn't *always* indicate back issues, as I've known some dogs who do it out of excitement or who knows what reason who were thoroughly checked and x-rayed and had no problems. And I'm sure there are some dogs with back issues who don't do it. But if a dog does start doing it, it's a good idea to have the back checked out.
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#110717 - 12/02/10 04:30 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: Chris Wild]
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Interesting, good to know. My Max has a "divot" in that area, and behind that, closer to the tail, it "poofs" a bit. Sounds like it's related probably.

Thanks!


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#110722 - 12/02/10 04:32 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: RileyAnna]
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Originally Posted By: RileyAnna
My Riley has cauda equina and so far is getting around fine. Had a vet visit last week, and the vet was happy to see that he was still doing well and not showing any further symptoms. He was diagnoised under anesthesia last Nov. Also read where some vets lump spondylosis and cauda equina all together rather than separating them out as individual problems.


Whatever Max has, it is causing him a lot of discomfort. There is a protocol where an anti-inflammatory is injected directly into that area. It's also supposed to be partly diagnostic. *If* it helps, it's pretty definite that the problem is there. That's on my list of things to try.

I'm so glad that Riley is doing well, these spinal issues are so frustrating!
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#111310 - 12/04/10 02:57 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I had bought some mucklucks for Max a few weeks back. He had worn a small hole in one of them after about 1 week of use. We figured we can tape it up a bit to make it last. But last night we put a brand new boot on and by the time we were done with our walk, we walked about 2.5 miles, he had worn a hole in the new one. I think I will need to find some sturdier boots for him.

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#111348 - 12/04/10 05:24 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: Charlotte]
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LJ has the Ruff Wear Barkin Boots with the heavy duty rubber bottoms. She's been wearing them for several months and they were worn by Wooly Bear before her, just starting to see wear on the bottoms.
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#111357 - 12/04/10 05:48 PM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: LJsMom]
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Great advice from the experts, no words of wisdom here except to say that I hope Max improves. Sean sends special thoughts and lots of hugs. hugging
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#111920 - 12/06/10 11:58 AM Re: Max has started dragging his back feet. [Re: SeanRescueMom]
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Back from the vet - we were told it's not spondylosis.

The bone part that I am seeing and feeling is actually part of his spine. As his muscles atropy the spine start protruding more and part of it is his conformation. He has lost 3lbs since his last vet appoint and it's all due to atrophy.
My vet said DM frown

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