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#12888 - 03/02/10 02:48 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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I really dislike the thought of Z/D, BUT, you have to be practical about it.

If he improved on it, and if it can provide relief, then it might be a good option, while you slowly introduce other stuff.

You would have to be very discipline with how you added any other foods and supplements. It would be a very slow process, but perhaps the best way for you to ultimately find what he can tolerate for the long term.
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#12906 - 03/02/10 03:14 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
I really dislike the thought of Z/D, BUT, you have to be practical about it.

If he improved on it, and if it can provide relief, then it might be a good option, while you slowly introduce other stuff.

You would have to be very discipline with how you added any other foods and supplements. It would be a very slow process, but perhaps the best way for you to ultimately find what he can tolerate for the long term.


Yeah I am not a fan of Z/D either. Especially since I don't even know if he's allergic to any food or something else completely. I'm still going to keep him on NB for now and only switch to Z/D if he's still bad when warmer weather comes. I just wish SOMETHING would change!
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#14007 - 03/04/10 12:11 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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Max has been on the Amoxi for 4.5 days now. No improvement on itching. He's been on NB for just over three weeks now. No improvement. I would think after three weeks, we'd see some difference. I know everyone says he needs to be on the diet for 6-8 weeks, but I'm guessing he wouldn't magically wake up one day and be itch-free! Sprayed him with tea tree oil last night, and that didn't seem to help either. And of course his poops are annoying - he poops on almost every walk, and though they're solid for the most part, it's a lot of poop. Makes me wonder what he's actually absorbing into his system.

My husband wants to keep up the NB diet for at least another two weeks and see if there's an improvement. What do you guys think? We're almost out of the food, so I'll need to get more if we continue.

If we don't, I'm really at a loss on what to feed him. Do we give him home-cooked simple stuff, raw simple stuff, prescription diet? (As I said, his itching subsided on Z/D but he was on other meds at the same time and we saw results within days.) We could go back to fish and sweet potato only, but that's assuming he has an allergy to Flax or something that's currently in the NB food.

(Sweet Potatoes, Venison, Potato Protein, Canola Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potato Fiber, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.)

And then of course I wonder if he'll improve with warmer weather.

Just tearing my hair out - it's so frustrating to have to get up from my desk every few minutes to get Max to stop itching/chewing or jangle keys to startle him out of what he's doing! I can't imagine how frustrating it is for Max as well.

Guess I'll take him to the cemetery for a walk, which will hopefully tire him out a bit.
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#14077 - 03/04/10 02:24 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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I think I've posted before that I thought the NB food was the wrong food. When you switched to it, you noted that he got worse, he did better on the fish based food.

Remember, if you try the Z/D, feed only that with no other supplements, and then add stuff slowly, taking several weeks to note response. the first thing I would add in once on the food for awhile, would be a joint supplement.

Poor Max, I hope he at least enjoyed his walk!
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#14078 - 03/04/10 02:24 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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Update:

My vet called and suggested we start him on Z/D diet now, so that he has a few weeks to get it in his system before the weather gets warm. I guess that could be an option instead of keeping him o his current diet for another 3 weeks when it isn't working.

But I am so worried about Z/D, because of its ingredients and the fact that his poop came out smelling exactly like the food! And you think he's pooping a lot now! When he was on that food, he pooped a lot and it was loose.

What to do, what to do....
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#14088 - 03/04/10 02:51 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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Just for craps and giggles, I looked up the ingredients to some of the other food Max has been on since we got him. Seems like the ONLY ingredient they have in common w/NB venison & sweet potato (outside of vitamins and minerals) is, drumroll please...

Flax!

Even when we had him on whitefish and sweet potato, we were using the Wellness canned food, which had flax.

So this means if we do put him on the Z/D diet (which has no flax) and he improves like last time, I'm guessing he's got an allergy to flax. If he doesn't improve on Z/D, then I guess it means there is something else, either environmental or food. Though I don't know what food it could possibly be.

This revelation makes me think we should start Z/D asap. Chances are we'll have March and April before the weather gets warm, which would be plenty of time to see if the Z/D works. Especially since last time he was improving after a week.
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#14114 - 03/04/10 04:03 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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It very well could be the flax.

This is one reason it's important to feed one thing through the trial.

If it is the flax, you will be able to fee that fish food ultimately, whether or not you do the trial with the Z/D. . .
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#14118 - 03/04/10 04:21 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
It very well could be the flax.

This is one reason it's important to feed one thing through the trial.

If it is the flax, you will be able to fee that fish food ultimately, whether or not you do the trial with the Z/D. . .


What fish food?
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#14129 - 03/04/10 04:40 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79]
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The whitefish food, I don't remember what it was, the one without flax.

I do think the food change is better done sooner rather than later.
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#14139 - 03/04/10 05:07 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Orijen 6 Fresh Fish, California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato, and Wellness Simple Rice & Salmon don't have flax.
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