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#32779 - 04/16/10 01:26 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Keeping in mind that a derm might have a policy of not responding to anonymous emails from potential clients.
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#32781 - 04/16/10 01:33 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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So noted.
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#32782 - 04/16/10 01:37 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Didn't want someone to miss out on a good doctor because they can't do that.
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#32788 - 04/16/10 01:56 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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You're right.

And I'm not against it, I just want to try all that stuff together, first. Heck, in two weeks it takes to get an appt with the Derm, you've done your trial.

Avamom's Derm did a thyroid, it was normal, I might have looked closer at thyroid for the hair loss. I certainly would looked into the melatonin for alopecia X, so I'm just saying thet a good derm is worth a ton, but they don't know everything. All those nutrients together with the thyroid - that will never be recommended by any vet. The allergy stuff, we all shoulda thought abouit the washing and wiping months ago!
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#32794 - 04/16/10 02:10 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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All,

Appreciate the comments/advice/feedback. But this is where I stand. I'm going to go with Lisa's suggestion and try a Thyroid supplement while we wait. No harm in that. This is assuming I can't get the vet to prescribe Soloxine.

If there are no changes with that, the probiotic, the fish oil, and wipe-downs, then we're calling it a day.

It's unfortunate that it's come to this. I am partially to blame, since I didn't know what to do and wasted months trying random stuff that was suggested to me. Maybe if we'd gone through with the allergy panel and started Max on shots months ago, we'd be somewhere else. Maybe if I'd seen a "decent" vet or dermatologist from the get-go, we'd be somewhere else.

But a series of bumbling mistakes has gotten us to where we are now. And we just can't tolerate starting over with a new derm/vet that may have us going through more of the same with elimination diets, shots, treatments, etc.

And if the thyroid treatment helps, then great! But I'm not holding my breath.

It sucks and I feel awful, but until any of you have been in my shoes and dealing with these exact issues for almost a year, then you can't judge. I'm confident that Max would have been dead last May had we not adopted him, so I'm hoping we at least were able to give him a semi-decent life (aside from all the crappy treatments).

So, hopefully you guys don't feel too mad/frustrated after all the time you've put in and the help/advice you've given.
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#32795 - 04/16/10 02:12 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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The veterinary dermatologist at the MSPCA Angell Memorial Hospital in Boston, Dr Kathy Tater:

http://www.mspca.org/vet-services/angell-boston/dermatology/boston-dematology-meet-the-team.html

Her credentials and her published case studies are top tier.

In the waiting areas you'll meet people who have driven hundreds of miles for their dog to see a specialist at Angell.
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#32796 - 04/16/10 02:24 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: shepnterrier]
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I don't think anyone is judging. People have been in this position either with pets, family, or themselves for sure.

I do think though that doing thyroid treatment without it being that (not saying either way what it is) CAN be harmful.

Just wanted to say that, because I know a lot of people read this and wanted to make sure that if it is, someone who knows can say whether or not this is true.
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#32799 - 04/16/10 02:30 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: shepnterrier]
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but many of us have been in your shoes...and quite frankly much worse. Take Sinclair...have you pm'd her? I can't even begin to tell you know knowledgeable she is...and what great advice she has...and what a comfort she is...not to mention...she is going through a worse situation with a dog that isn't even hers per sae. I have Cheyenne...and many others have posted. It quite frankly is pretty common....frustrating...yes...a death sentence...no.

Max does not deserve to die due to mistakes. If you can't go further...please try to find a rescue for him.
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#32807 - 04/16/10 02:58 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: shepnterrier]
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Originally Posted By: shepnterrier
The veterinary dermatologist at the MSPCA Angell Memorial Hospital in Boston, Dr Kathy Tater:

http://www.mspca.org/vet-services/angell-boston/dermatology/boston-dematology-meet-the-team.html

Her credentials and her published case studies are top tier.

In the waiting areas you'll meet people who have driven hundreds of miles for their dog to see a specialist at Angell.



She is gone on medical leave.
I already called about seeing her and posted about it a few pages back.

I can't imagine thyroid supplements could be any worse than Atopica.

We already tried to find a home for Max. Between his health, dog aggression issues, and age, nobody's interested. (Don't forget he has arthritis in both back knees and elbow dysplasia in both elbows.) The ONLY way to get GSRNE's help is to put him back in the shelter from where we got him. I looked into it. Ain't gonna happen. So unless you know of someone who doesn't have dogs, who has a lot of time and money and patience, and who has GSD experience, that ain't gonna happen either.

People may be in worse situations than us, but apparently they have the time, funds, and experience. We have none of the above anymore. AND WE ADOPTED MAX LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. I know that's no excuse, because it's not his fault. But we are not experienced dog owners, let alone GSD owners, and this is more than we can handle.

You may say we're giving up too easily, it's insane to put down a dog because of itching, etc. But you're the only ones. EVERYONE who knows us, Max, and what we've been going through thinks we've gone above and beyond.

I do not want to put Max through the stress of more vets, changes, etc. If you have an issue, take it up with his ORIGINAL owner, who bought him from some crappy breeder in Kentucky, overfed him, and then let her ex-husband dump him in a shelter. I have her email address...Or you can take it up with the shelters that gave him a clean bill of health, said his temperament was fine, and told us his age was 2-3 years old.

My husband has been telling me for weeks to stop posting here and getting advice, because although you mean well, all you're doing is confusing me, making me feel guilty, and sending me in all different directions, without even really knowing what we're going through.

So, I think I'm done here. Be pissed all you want, but I am not going to go broke and suicidal over this. Maybe after a good night of sleep I'll regret everything I just said, but this is how I feel right now. I love animals and I love Max, but this is just insanity. And it's not like Max is loving it either.
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#32809 - 04/16/10 02:59 PM Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Avamom's Derm did a thyroid, it was normal, I might have looked closer at thyroid for the hair loss. I certainly would looked into the melatonin for alopecia X, so I'm just saying thet a good derm is worth a ton, but they don't know everything. All those nutrients together with the thyroid - that will never be recommended by any vet. The allergy stuff, we all shoulda thought abouit the washing and wiping months ago!


Actually we did several thyroid panels, by several vets...in fact, all three vets have because all my vets were just sure that thyroid had something to do with it...we even did several months of thyroid meds just in case it was subclinical...no improvement. So some vets WILL try things even if the tests don't show it. There are many vets educated on supplements and alternative treatments, sometimes you just have to talk to them about it.

I have been in your shoes Vio, for three years this July, and I am not judging you...just trying to point out that often it is through all the mistakes we make (and God did we make them with Apollo) that you find you need to go a different direction, different vet and start over. Its frustrating, bankrupting and I have had numerous fights with the hubby over it...but in the end we keep plodding on because Apollo was worth it. We are seeing a light at the end of the tunnel now, Apollo goes in Tuesday to start his environmental allergy shots and the hope is that he will respond well to them...its been a long road, and often times I thought about giving up but I would take Apollo outside and throw the ball and he would forget about his itchiness and be a normal happy dog and I would remember why we keep plodding along. He's been relatively itch free now for months and we've been able to cut back his meds a lot, the hope is he will be off them entirely if the allergy shots work.

Its normal to be frustrated and good for you to vent, but I promise you that it gets easier when you get with a vet that you can partner with, who explains what they want to do and why so you understand all the reasons and time frames/goals they have for each treatment method and one who you tell them what you want to try and what you have tried and you work together. Because there are things that can harm more than help or not mix well so its important to have a dialogue with your vet.
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