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#136981 - 02/26/11 10:22 PM Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind.
elisabeth Offline
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Do you think it is necessary to have your puppy enrolled in puppy classes AND belong to a club (schutzhund)?

I didn’t plan on attending obedience classes outside of the time we train at the club but was wondering what others have done?

I have a core group of dogs that we train with nightly (at least 4-5 times per week) at various locations (parks, neighbourhoods, malls, parking lots, sidewalks, middle of the city, country roads and forests, etc.) and we sometimes have new dogs come with us to train, or at least play with ours after our training is finished.

The trainers in this area are very “pet obedience” motivated while I agree that this type of training is all well and good - I personally don’t believe that it is the route I want to go with my new puppy. I did A LOT of “fixing” with Stark once we started at the club and don’t want to make the same mistakes twice.

What types of formal training classes did you participate in with your working dog? Or did you for-go the classes and stick solely with the club training?

I have also been taking agility classes with Stark and enjoy that and was hoping to take the new puppy there as well. Would this be beneficial to our schutzhund training or not?
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#136988 - 02/26/11 10:32 PM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: elisabeth]
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I took my pup to Schh club regularly when he was 10 weeks old, we just went for socializing and a bit of evaluation, support. But we went consistantly(then changed clubs:(
I took Karlo to a puppy playtime for socializing(3x's) and saw he was fine so never went back. Then I took him to an obedience class at about 4-5 mos. I didn't do the " NO jumping on me" exercises or squashed his drive, but he was handler sensitive, so obedience came easily with no correcting.

I never had to put pressure/ correction until he was almost 2(now).
It all depends on the dog, the level of their threshold and genetics.

IF I waited to start Karlo til now(in all 3 phases) it would not have been detrimental.

I think though, if you can get the pup to experience all or any different training venues, it is beneficial as long as you aren't over obediencing them.

Confidence building is most important in whatever you do...you can always bring that down/building it up is the challenge.
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#136991 - 02/26/11 10:40 PM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: Jane Jean]
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This is what I was hoping to hear. I can do a few drop in sessions with Stark's old obedience instructor if needed just for the experience of being in a group class like that but I have no intention of using her methods (great for pet people, but not what I want to do with mine).
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#137007 - 02/26/11 11:33 PM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: elisabeth]
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With your experience, knowledge, goals, and resources, no, not necessary. You still can if you want to - fun to get out and do stuff with a puppy, and nice socialization for a puppy, but you are already all set up to meet those needs in other ways.

When I got Gryff, he was six months old, and started basic obedience classes with him right away; I knew how important this was for bonding and developing a relationship, as it has made all the difference in my relationship with Keeta.

But I dropped out after a few classes, because I felt it was counter-productive for my goals. For one thing, there were a lot of exercises I passed on, like Jane, and also I felt that the pace was too fast, and I didn't want to move ahead until I felt that some basics were very solid - for example, I didn't want to take one single step in heeling unless I had 100% focus - and that takes more than a couple of weeks to instill before we go from a stationary focus to a moving one. So I was spending a lot of time in a corner working on stuff on my own instead of following the class, so there wasn't much point in me going, especially since I would have to drive quite a distance for the classes.

I don't think that Gryff's obedience suffered any because of it. wink
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#137018 - 02/27/11 12:03 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: Castlemaid]
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I agree with Jane & Lucia.

I'd maybe go more for a social thing than for training purposes but it sounds like you've got a group already set-up for that where you go to various locations.
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#137025 - 02/27/11 12:44 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: elisabeth]
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I'm with the others as well. You really have "puppy on the mind" don't you grin
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#137035 - 02/27/11 02:05 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: Northern GSDs]
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Originally Posted By: Northern GSDs
I'm with the others as well. You really have "puppy on the mind" don't you grin


I totally do.

I spent the afternoon at Stark's breeder one day last week visiting (okay, to really spend some time with Lexi, a female I am considering a pup from whistle ) and she had 11, four week old pups from another female of hers that I got to cuddle. I also just fell more in love with Lexi and Shep (Stark's sire) and made me want one of their pups so very badly.


Edited by elisabeth (02/27/11 02:05 AM)
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#137042 - 02/27/11 02:42 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: elisabeth]
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I read that!! And I have to say wub
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#137066 - 02/27/11 08:49 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: elisabeth]
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Canada...Minnesota...Michigan...this thread looks like its just a bunch of Northerner's typing to keep their fingers warm on a cold February night!!!! I am sick of the SNOW!!!

Anyway, great thread...can totally relate to not repeating what you did with Stark, or what I did with Dayna. The "GSDs of the Great White North" crew have given you solid advice, which you did not need. So let me jump on the validation pile and say it sounds like you are all over this puppy raising thing. Should be an awesome dog you're raising, and you're close enough I can't think of a reason Jane and I should not have an opportunity to meet you and this pup someday!!!

It is almost 8am, the sun it up high enough, I am going out into the cold now to run the dogs on the "nature trails"....seems wrong to call the hiking area that, although every local does...it would be more accurate to call them "squirrel hunting paths".
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#137076 - 02/27/11 10:19 AM Re: Raising and training a puppy with schH in mind. [Re: Wayne]
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Me thinks Elisabeth is getting serious puppy fever!!! Since I don't do SchH I have nothing to offer! smile
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