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#117041 - 12/22/10 12:08 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: Mary Jane]
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MaryAnn,

Cheyenne's quality of life has been superlative since you welcomed her into your home. Her prognosis has always been terrible yet she has not only recovered from one health crisis after another and really thrived in the care of you and your family. Please try to keep that front and center in your heart and in your brain. hugging

I do not think it will be the end of the world if you put her in a room, with old sheets and towels on the floor, when your company comes. You could give her a nice bone to chew on or something.

Did you get that chocolate yet? Wish you lived here--I just bought 4 bars of really good stuff yesterday. wink
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#117047 - 12/22/10 12:47 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: myamom]
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Originally Posted By: myamom
since I never got around to reading "heat for dummies"...I've got to focus on "here and now"!!


Hi Mary Ann,

I never read that book, either, so can't help you there, lol. But I do use washable incontinent pads for my dogs, and love them. Of course, walking around the house bleeding wouldn't be as manageable this way. But what about extra large adult diapers for obese people? Or stretch stocking underwear with a pad inside?

This 'may' not be a normal heat cycle, is that correct?

If the exterior tumor is growing as you describe, then I do wonder what 'may' be going on internally in her uterus. Signs of excessive bleeding, just in case these things develop:

*Excessive panting and fast breathing
*Very fast heart rate and/or abnormal rhythm
*Pale gums
*Abdominal/pelvic distention
*Excessive external bleeding
*Pain (does she appear to have pain?)

As you said, our seniors force us to live in the moment, especially those fragile ones like Cheyenne (and my Sherman). Very hard to know which step to take next, other than loving her.

For ME, I gauge it like this:

*How is my dog doing right now, in terms of quality of life?

*If I get the vet involved, how invasive will the workup/intervention be?

*Will those interventions cause my dog pain, and to what extent?

*What are the chances those interventions will make a significant difference in my dog's life, or is there a better chance they will just put us on a road to nowhere?

*If things get out of control here, and my dog starts to deteriorate very quickly, what will my next step be?

*Can I, and how do I, get my dog to my car, with or without help, if she becomes unconscious or too painful to move?

*Where is the closest vet who is available nights and weekends?

*Will my vet make housecalls?

*Do I have backup numbers of vets who make house calls?

*Will my 8yo niece be ok, and which pieces do I want to protect her from?

*What do I think my dog's wishes/needs are right now? Am I reading his/her signals correctly, or should I have another set of trusting eyes to help me?

*Am I willing to help my dog cross the bridge when he/she is ready, even if I am not ready?

*What are my plans to take care of my own emotions, once my dog has passed?

Just writing off the top of my head, in case any of this can help you, or anyone else, in the long run. I find the list (mental list in my case) helpful when I am under duress and start scrambling to make decisions.

Not that you are scrambling to make decisions. It's a 'just in case' list.

As Ruth mentioned, she's overcome so much already, as we've seen so many fragile seniors do along the way. As they say, medicine is more of an art than a science, and sometimes just loving them the way you and your family have loved Cheyenne, will be just enough to keep recharging her.

hugging





Edited by matsired (12/22/10 12:54 PM)
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#117057 - 12/22/10 01:41 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: matsired]
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Donna has a great check list. But it is entirely possible that it is just a normal cycle. First I have never had a bitch that read a book on what is normal. Normal cycles on bitches is what is normal for them, they can be any where from 3 months to 8 months apart. I have a bitch right now that cycles every 3 months, I have missed on the timing so many times on getting her spayed.... GGRRRR.

If this cycle looks like her previous one then I would relax. It is possible that her cycles got all out of wack before you got her and now she is like a young dog starting all over again and some times their cycles are irregular in timing.

There is a drug that will stop her from cycling. I would try to find a Reproductive Vet because there are going to be the ones that would be using this drug. It is Mibolerone (Cheque Drops). It is a steroid that works to block the estrogen and progesterone. That could be a good thing if the tumors appear to be estrogen related. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0+1303+1466&aid=1386
http://www.rxnations.com/animal/drugsummaries/mibolerone.php

Monitoring the Liver functions is important especially in older bitches.
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#117064 - 12/22/10 02:03 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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I just went back through this thread for exact date...last heat was the end of August...so that would be 4 months. Hoping this is just normal for her. So far...looks to be starting out just like the last time.

No excessive panting or acting in distress...is happy, alert, playful, eating. The tumor just makes me so terrified.

Why I want to go to a specialist? I want to hear...what I'm in store for...are there any options...risks...pro's cons. If he said..wow...at this rate..she has maybe a month...we can try surgery...she has a 50/50 shot...but if successful could buy her a year or more...I think it would probably be worth it? He may say...she's too far gone to do anything. I just need to hear...something. I feel like I'm in this blind and helpless. I want to know what to expect if I do nothing...will this tumor rupture...I can't see how it won't. Will i find her in a pool of blood...see...these are the things that keep me up at night.

So..I'm going to make an appt. Thank you Southern Cross for allowing me to do this. I will ask about that drug Val...thank you. I do believe her blood work showed liver disease? (have to go back in the thread again...so much to remember)...if so...we'll see how that factors in.


Sorry...not great Holiday talk. Hey...I did make Chicken soup...when all else fails...and I don't know what to do...I make her Chicken soup smile

Ruth...I was just at the school to help the kids make gingerbread houses...cut it short so I could come home and check on Cheyenne...but the teacher gave me chocolate as a thank you...off to eat that now!
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#117065 - 12/22/10 02:05 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: myamom]
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hugging

Cheyenne is so lucky to have you. Sorry I can't offer wisdom, just support.
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#117067 - 12/22/10 02:11 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: gsdraven]
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Originally Posted By: gsdraven
hugging

Cheyenne is so lucky to have you. Sorry I can't offer wisdom, just support.


Ditto that. hugging

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#117076 - 12/22/10 02:36 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: Lexi]
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MaryAnn, with the Cheque Drops it is some thing you really need to think about. It is something she would have to have every day, because if you miss then it can trigger the heat cycle. This is one of those catch 22 thing, damned if you do damned if you don't. Blocking hormones that might be making the tumors grow bigger/faster verses liver damage. The deal with the Reproductive Specialist is that they will know way more about the use of Cheque Drops than most Vets.

This is my out of the box thinking. Not sure if it is a good thing or bad thing.

She has come such a long way. She has a lot of determination to stay as long as she can and soak up all the love.
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Fuzzybutt the cat.
Neilla the Big White puppy.

RIP Cheyenne - AKA: Digger, CheyChey Girl, Cheyenne Large and In charge. 2/16/02 - 2/27/16
RIP DeeDee - AKA: DD Poo, Little Bit, Binky (part of the Binky and Booboo team) 6/23/02-6/20/11
RIP Lakota - AKA: Bubba, Big Boy, BooBoo (the other part of the Binky and BooBoo team). 1/19/03-9/19/2011
RIP Raya - AKA: Raz-a, Ray a Sunshine, RayBestos, the little one, Silly Girl. 9/21/05 - 6/27/14

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#117118 - 12/22/10 04:46 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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OH NO!! I WAS WRONG!!

Yep...just call me a big stupido in all this.

So..I notice her licking at her tumor...I got out a flashlight and inspected it...eeeeek...but had to do it...and there is a bleeding spot on it...like an ulceration on it...not good.

Have a call into my vet
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#117120 - 12/22/10 04:56 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: myamom]
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Maybe it will slowly drain?

Let us know what the vet says. Green Tea compresses will help.

Thinking of you guys hugging
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#117121 - 12/22/10 05:04 PM Re: My new foster - Cheyenne [Re: MaxaLisa]
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OH shoot...scrooge
Sending calming vibes to you MaryAnn and my best strength and healing vibes to Cheyenne...... grouphug
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Fuzzybutt the cat.
Neilla the Big White puppy.

RIP Cheyenne - AKA: Digger, CheyChey Girl, Cheyenne Large and In charge. 2/16/02 - 2/27/16
RIP DeeDee - AKA: DD Poo, Little Bit, Binky (part of the Binky and Booboo team) 6/23/02-6/20/11
RIP Lakota - AKA: Bubba, Big Boy, BooBoo (the other part of the Binky and BooBoo team). 1/19/03-9/19/2011
RIP Raya - AKA: Raz-a, Ray a Sunshine, RayBestos, the little one, Silly Girl. 9/21/05 - 6/27/14

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