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#139048 - 03/06/11 06:55 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain]
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Ok, I wasn't able to find the zinc pincolate but I was able to find this Zinc and I did buy some: http://naturemade.com/Products/Minerals/Zinc.aspx Will this work?
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#139051 - 03/06/11 07:01 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain]
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It looks like zinc is depleted with *long term* pred use, so great question Ashley. http://www.naturalnews.com/DrugWatch_Prednisone.html

If the condition is worsening, at the least, you should see it stop getting worse. If it appears stable, I would think you will notice some subtle signs?
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#139054 - 03/06/11 07:13 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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So, it is safe then for him to be receiving the T-P and the Zinc at the same time, correct?
I will start him on the zinc tonight and keep an eye out for any changes.
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#139056 - 03/06/11 07:15 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain]
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BTW, the vet gave me about 35 days worth of T-P for him...is that too long for him to be on it or should he be ok? Last time the vet only gave 2 or 3 weeks worth.
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#139061 - 03/06/11 07:40 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain]
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I would go ahead with the zinc along with the med.

I am really the wrong person to be asking about length of treatment with these meds. I don't like them at all. I understand their necessity as Max went through a similar extreme itching issue, but I will go to extreme lengths not to use them. The answer will probably vary, depending on whom you talk with. Since the vet prescribed that length of treatment, it seems clear that he is comfortable with it, unless he gave other verbal dosing instructions?
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#139062 - 03/06/11 07:51 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Why choose the holistic vet as a last resort?

Kailor's allopathic vet was comfortable keeping her on a low dose of T-P for 5 years. My experience is that if vets can't figure out what the real problem is and fix it then they are very comfortable just sticking a bandaid on the problem, even if that bandaid has a very high chance of causing additional problems.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer here but I have seen this so many times before and the steroids never helped with anything but the itching (and sometimes not even that).

I'm especially unhappy that the vet is prescribing steroids to a puppy. I think depressing the immune system at this age is a recipe for disaster...or at least a lifetime of chronic skin issues. And what is the vet's plan if, after 35 days, the itching and hair loss continue?
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#139066 - 03/06/11 07:58 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: BowWowMeow]
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I will agree with Debbie Downer here, though I understand the thinking that if you "just do this", it will fix everything, as I've fallen into that too sometimes. Very often, it's a big picture thing that has to be approached from different directions (it's not just one thing), and many (most?) allopathic vets don't treat this way.

With these meds, it's entirely possible that, while they include something that helps with the itching, they also include something that prevents your dog from getting better. This is probably more the norm than the exception. You want to address this with things that will build the body.
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#139068 - 03/06/11 08:12 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Ashley, I know that you have a plan and are taking things one step at a time. It's a process, you guys will get there.

IF the zinc helps, that will give a clue to a bigger picture issue. Btw, zinc helps the thyroid work properly....
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#139094 - 03/06/11 09:55 PM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I appreciate all the thoughts and helpful information. I want to keep all my options open. It's just a lot to take in and frustrating not having answers but I know we will get there. We will just take it a step at a time.
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#139197 - 03/07/11 10:01 AM Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain]
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Zinc stuff:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659+1662&aid=718

Toxicity:
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/toxicity/c_dg_zinc_toxicity

Looks like there is a serum zinc level that can be tested?
http://www.petplace.com/dogs/zinc-toxicity-in-dogs/page1.aspx
http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/hardy/

More:
http://www.gopetsamerica.com/dog-health/zinc_responsive_dermatosis.aspx

But I think you have to be careful with zinc. It scares me a bit getting the balance right - the metals.

That's why I was thinking a little Desitin on one of the spots to test - it worked when Bella had the paw pad thing when I first got her.

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