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#159933 - 06/05/11 08:27 PM Max: adrenals, SIBO, TBD, immunodeficiency & more
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One of Max's vets was talking about how they can ultrasound the heart during a regular abdominal ultrasound. It isn't as good as an echocardiogram, but can still recognize some heart abnormalities.

Anything know anything about this?


Edited by MaxaLisa (08/07/11 11:36 PM)
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#159937 - 06/05/11 08:34 PM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Out of curiosity, why can't an ECG be done? I thought it was the gold standard for heart beat abnormalities.

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#159938 - 06/05/11 08:36 PM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Anna-b had an ultrasound to start her cardiac "journey" after the vet heard her murmur. No answers from that, but then again, none from a fluoroscope or an echo as to cause of the heart issue, but then we found out it was because the AV fistula was right behind her sternum (is that right? big bony thing).

Angelina also had an ultrasound for hers and they found the cause of the murmur in seconds. It was neat. I am trying to remember if there were others. I know when Kramer was being checked they started and went top to bottom. Same radiologist for all three. I really like her.
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#159979 - 06/06/11 12:40 AM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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Ringer & Kelly both had ultrasounds of their hearts shortly before being put down ... both were diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma of the heart. teary
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#159991 - 06/06/11 03:01 AM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: arycrest]
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Thank you all for the info.

Gayle, that's what I'm a bit concerned about. Max has these mysterious symptoms, and hemangio of the heart keeps popping in my head frown I'm so sorry about Ringer and Kelly hugging There was a dog on the tick list that just succumbed to this same thing....so terrible, but it has prompted me to look into this more closely.

Virginia, my vet and I were wanting to do an abdominal ultrasound because of some other issues, and I've been going back and forth on which to do, the u/s, or the echo. Then this other vet mentioned that the u/s can also be done on the heart, at least as a preliminary test. It sounds like this might be the right place to start.

I hope I remember to call the vet tomorrow, though she's not in until Tuesday, as long as she doesn't have time off...

edit: oh, Virginia, just saw you said ECG, which is different than the echocardiogram. I will have to ask about that!!


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#160001 - 06/06/11 04:43 AM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Lisa I hope that whatever examination you go for proves fruitful and shows nothing serious at all. Max needs and deserves to enjoy some good health hugging
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#160063 - 06/06/11 04:36 PM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
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Gayle, that's what I'm a bit concerned about. Max has these mysterious symptoms, and hemangio of the heart keeps popping in my head frown I'm so sorry about Ringer and Kelly hugging There was a dog on the tick list that just succumbed to this same thing....so terrible, but it has prompted me to look into this more closely.
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hugging OMG Lisa, you and Max will be in my prayers that you'll find out what's wrong and it won't be anything serious ... frightening!!!

FWIW ... a short time before Echo died from hemanigosarcoma, he was diagnosed via x-ray ... as a matter of fact he died while the vet was on the phone with me explaining the results. teary
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#160069 - 06/06/11 05:14 PM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: arycrest]
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With LJ, I had the echo done by a cardiologist who also peaked around her spleen, liver, kidneys. He only charged me for the heart one.
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#160136 - 06/07/11 01:44 AM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: arycrest]
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Originally Posted By: arycrest
FWIW ... a short time before Echo died from hemanigosarcoma, he was diagnosed via x-ray ... as a matter of fact he died while the vet was on the phone with me explaining the results. teary


Oh geez Gayle, how terrible teary

I never seem to be able to get a good diagnosis for Max, couldn't for Indy either, so I'm real cautious about what tests to go for.

I have an appointment Tuesday morning - we'll put a strategy together. The vet in a quick email last night did mention maybe starting with an xray. He gets winded just crossing the room nowadays. If it's pain, it's not something metacam isn't touching frown
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#160137 - 06/07/11 01:45 AM Re: ultrasound for the heart? [Re: LJsMom]
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Originally Posted By: LJsMom
With LJ, I had the echo done by a cardiologist who also peaked around her spleen, liver, kidneys. He only charged me for the heart one.


I wonder if I can get in touch with Indy's cardio. She went MIA for awhile, and I don't know if I can find her. There's always UC Davis, but I thought that the private cardio put together a better protocol for Indy than UCD would have.

and thank you bianca, I would love for Max to have some better health for awhile!
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