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#193176 - 11/11/11 10:55 PM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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Jean, tell me more about the splints? Max is having problems on that one wrist - not sure if it's bothering him, but it looks like it should be.
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#193218 - 11/12/11 08:53 AM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: MaxaLisa]
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When she went to Thera-Vet they recommended them due to the extreme breakdown of her wrists - her ligaments are stretched and there is no way to tighten a ligament (there is one surgical procedure I guess that my one vet talked about just to dismiss it - not an option). So the idea is to prevent them from getting any looser, just when she's playing or walking, not all the time - when there's some impact. We were going back there to get her measured and she was dx with HW disease so that was that! I decided just to do this at my vet office because it's a shorter ride and probably cheaper all around.

http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/14_3/features/Orthopedic-Devices-For-Dogs_20211-1.html
"Dr. McCauley likes the Carpal Wraps because they do not stop the dog from using the wrist (immobilization makes the joint weaker) but work by preventing the wrist from hyper-extending (which is what causes pain). She recommends dogs wear them on walks or when playing or running around. Suggested retail price: $21 (each)."
I think these are it: http://www.canineicer.com/order/product/index.htm (scroll down past the icers)

I think that part is the key - that if you do it wrong, you can make the leg worse. And I think that depends on the why of the weakness. Like I ruptured my ACL way back and I asked the PT if it would help to wrap the knee for stability and he said not for what my problem was - I would be making it worse in the long run. But you see other injuries, they wrap. I like that Thera-vet is a PT vet.

So I am going to be taking/sending/faxing all of this over to my vet office before we do the measuring.

Oh, I think these are the ones that Thera-vet uses: http://www.therapaw.com/ They look to be closer to $50 per. I figure my vets can take a look and see which will work better for her, or just go with this one if they can.

ETA - glad you asked so that I had to get this all written out and find those links!


Edited by JeanKBBMMMAAN (11/12/11 08:54 AM)
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#193254 - 11/12/11 04:36 PM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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I want max to keep using it, but we've done a lot of walking this term and it hasn't really improved much. It does get worse with fatigue, and if he tries to trot, he often stumbles on it.

Do keep us posted on it - I might try something like this for Max. Maybe this is why his shoulder keeps hurting him too. Can't wait to get at my 'puter and take a good look at those links. Thanks a super bunch!
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#193269 - 11/12/11 07:56 PM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Jean, in case it's helpful, here's Natalie's/Sasha's thread:
http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbt...a_nee#Post29204

I think Max would need that firmer support one, he's just going to get worse. I emailed them a question about sizing. Let me know what's going on with Mila!

The $30 shipping fee made me shocked until I saw the drop down menu had better options smile

I think this is the rigid splint that natalie used, different type of thing than we are looking at:
http://www.orthovet.com/storefront.html?...13&vmcchk=1
Wow, some of these get really fancy, the rigid ones:
http://www.animalorthocare.com/carpalbrace/


We no longer have a PT person around here, so this is something I will try on my own.

While I'm looking, found these:
http://www.dogleggs.com/carpal/

Here are some nice pics of the lighter one at therapaw:
http://www.jorvet.com/pdf/Literature/carpo_fles_dorsi_flex_wraps.pdf
Cheapest price here it seems: http://scoutshouse.com/store/index.php?cPath=74&main_page=product_info&products_id=252

Larger images for the therapaw ones:
http://scoutshouse.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=304
http://scoutshouse.com/store/images/CarpoFlex-033243.jpg
http://scoutshouse.com/store/images/CarpoFlexX-033247%20(Medium).jpg
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#193578 - 11/14/11 11:45 AM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I've used an OrthoVet Carpal Splint

http://www.orthovet.com/storefront.html?...13&vmcchk=1

then transitioned to a thera-paw Carpo-Flex X

http://www.therapaw.com/carpo-flex-x-2.aspx

Both of the braces worked very well for what we needed. My vet measured Sasha and sent off for a custom fit one, but neither was that expensive.

What I liked about the carpo-flex x brace is that it comes with 3 sturdier velco support 'patches'. You can cross them, remove them or just use 1 or 2- makes the brace customizable for the dog and situation.

Sasha still wears this brace when we hike in the woods as she will always have the bone chip that can cause her discomfort after long periods of being active- so I use the brace to minimize the moving of the chip.

I give both of them a big thumbs up! thumbup
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#193773 - 11/15/11 12:27 PM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: Natalie559]
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I was wondering how the carpo flex could have a range of a support, that is great to know.

I guess the carpo was custom made too?
I was looking at the carpo pre-made sizes. Max's leg circ is 5" and they said that the 5.75" should work, unless the leg tends to swell. The other is much larger, and I'm not sure that it would fit well.

Max is always at the "edge" of sizes, no fair!
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#194124 - 11/16/11 11:43 PM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I sent the two websites I have to the vet and am taking Mila over tomorrow for her fitting. Since Thera-vet recommended the Therapaw one I am guessing that will be the one we pick, but I do like that WDJ liked the other.

I have to ask - her pasterns have already dropped - so I want to make sure we don't do anything that will make things worse. I guess immobilizing them would do that! I think I have pics of her front legs in the beginning of the thread. They got worse with the crate rest but are improving.

I'll try to take some phone pics if I can. I hope she is a good girl so that I can!
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#194153 - 11/17/11 06:43 AM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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I'm thinking that the WDJ one isn't going to provide enough support. I ordered one of those to try, since he can use it on his stronger wrist if he needs it. I suspect that the bad wrist needs the therapaw one since his pastern is down too....just worried about sizing. I think his squirrel stalking has helped strengthen it, but it's not going to get better either frown

Here's Mila wrist picture post:
http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/110447/Re_When_you_can_t_help#Post110447
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#194179 - 11/17/11 10:37 AM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Announcement time! In the very near future, Miss Mila Monster will be bossing around my Steely-man! Notice the hearts in his pupils and front paws!



Steel passed inspection by Matsi earlier this week. She gave him a little snarl, but Steel was a gentlemen and did not reciprocate.

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Many thanks to the home visit team (Sarah, Chip, Donna, Matsi, and Duke)! A big thank you to Donna for the beautiful pictures!

We are extremely excited!
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#194184 - 11/17/11 11:12 AM Re: Mila, Grand Old Dame [Re: LJsMom]
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Wait-does this mean a new courtship?

Could any female in her later years want more than to spend them with that blue-eyed, distinguished gentleman?

Great job, Joanne.

Mary Jane

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