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#199934 - 12/17/11 02:40 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Lisa, gotta ask my dumb question of the day. What would happen if Steph continued the protocal the vets have given her and added Doxy in the mix on her own?

That's what I would do, and then as he improved, slowly wean off the pred, and continue the doxy.
And he could take it along with the clindamycin?
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#199935 - 12/17/11 02:51 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I have asked about the doxy a couple of different times...the specialist and my reg vet. They think the two rounds should have been good if it was tick related. I know you had said in the past that vets can be resistant to the aggressive dose...


And it's all a gamble, every single decision in this along the way is a huge gamble. The question is, which gamble are you willing to take, knowing that the stakes possibly include whether kelso lives or dies? I honestly don't know the answer, which is why I haven't been very forceful about this, it's a crapshoot. I do know what I would do here though. **Even the protocol that HollysMom followed included long term antibiotics.**


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He is better. Chewing on his ball tonight, took a few laps around the house. He has not been normal since September so it is all relative at this point though.


Well, he's not worse, and there's something to be said for that! And no more shivers.

He had the shivers before the crate incident, right?


I absolutely agree with the long term antibiotics. So glad that Hollysmom provided the help that she did with what her pup went through.

No more shivers. It was messed up though, it was the first time it was very cold out as well and he was running outside munching on ice as he is obsessed with water due to the pred...he actually stopped shivering after the sweater. The next day he busted out of his crate. For no reason, totally out of character...something had to have happened and who knows what to make him do that. You can't see it in the pics much but his muscle and fat loss has been devastating.

So he was better, no more shivers and off antibiotics for 2 days, got the wounds..then was sick but no shivers. So in hindsight was the shivering because of a fever or was it because he was cold?

No one can say for sure, that is impossible. He was acting a little bit different even before those events, but we have dissected his behavior so much in the past few months as the medication has brought changes in and of itself.

Kelso is my best friend, of course I am going to gamble in his favor and in the best way I can with the input of the 7 different vets he has now seen (3 at our reg vet, an internist, a critical care doc, a dermatologist and a surgeon) and the help and knowledge from you all here.

thanks again
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#199936 - 12/17/11 02:52 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: arycrest]
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Originally Posted By: arycrest
Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Originally Posted By: arycrest
Lisa, gotta ask my dumb question of the day. What would happen if Steph continued the protocal the vets have given her and added Doxy in the mix on her own?

That's what I would do, and then as he improved, slowly wean off the pred, and continue the doxy.
And he could take it along with the clindamycin?


Doxy, clindamycin, and azithromycin are sometimes used to treat babesia. Even if not used in combination, as the clinda is winding down, the doxy could be started so that there is no period of time that he is left untreated.
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#199937 - 12/17/11 02:56 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: kelso]
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Originally Posted By: kelso
.....Kelso is my best friend, of course I am going to gamble in his favor and in the best way I can with the input of the 7 different vets he has now seen (3 at our reg vet, an internist, a critical care doc, a dermatologist and a surgeon) and the help and knowledge from you all here.....


And I didn't mean to imply that you weren't going above and beyond. This has been long, and drawn out, and difficult for all of you hugging

I just get frustrated with the vets, and I'm worried about what's going to happen when those antibiotics are stopped.
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#199943 - 12/17/11 03:18 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Originally Posted By: kelso
.....Kelso is my best friend, of course I am going to gamble in his favor and in the best way I can with the input of the 7 different vets he has now seen (3 at our reg vet, an internist, a critical care doc, a dermatologist and a surgeon) and the help and knowledge from you all here.....


And I didn't mean to imply that you weren't going above and beyond. This has been long, and drawn out, and difficult for all of you hugging

I just get frustrated with the vets, and I'm worried about what's going to happen when those antibiotics are stopped.


I know. I know you are looking out for Kelso. I would never think otherwise.

We will not stop the antibiotics until he is weaned off the pred

alot of what we were seeing in the two weeks up to this event my husband and I really believe was side effects of the pred, the weaning never really started since september. Prednisone did probably save his life in the beginning but he was sortof withering away before our eyes, he has no winter coat, no fat, no muscle. My wish is that we would have begun to taper despite the labs not being absolutely perfect (treat the dog not the labs) continued antibiotics and gone from there. Instead he had essentially been on 50-60 mg of pred a day for 4 months with intermittant periods of about a 2-3 weeks total in 4 months or so of no atbx. You warned of this.

We will fight as long and hard as we can for our dog, please trust me on that. I am a trusting person, maybe to much, but I do put faith in our vets and hope that is not a bad thing. Kelso and Allie are our family and our lives
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#199944 - 12/17/11 03:34 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: kelso]
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Originally Posted By: kelso
....We will fight as long and hard as we can for our dog, please trust me on that. I am a trusting person, maybe to much, but I do put faith in our vets and hope that is not a bad thing. Kelso and Allie are our family and our lives


These are the situations that will shake your foundation a bit, well, possibly. And, maybe for you, it might even be more profound because of what you do.

To be blunt, on the tick list, we've seen a lot of pets near death because of vets, both primary vets and specialists. Max is a great example here too. Had someone believed me earlier, maybe they would have helped me get him on an aggressive regimen and saved us years of illness that will shorten his life.

This is not a time to trust. It's a time to think, and be determined in what makes sense.
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#199946 - 12/17/11 03:57 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: MaxaLisa]
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hugging I am so sorry, this must be so stressful and I wish I had some knowledge or wisdom to help. But please know Kelso is in my thoughts and prayers and I am so pleased that he is feeling better within himself hugging
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#199948 - 12/17/11 04:11 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: bianca]
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Originally Posted By: bianca
hugging I am so sorry, this must be so stressful and I wish I had some knowledge or wisdom to help. But please know Kelso is in my thoughts and prayers and I am so pleased that he is feeling better within himself hugging


Your thoughts, prayers and hugs are much appreciated. Thank You
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#199970 - 12/17/11 09:46 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: kelso]
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treat the dog not the labs


I love, love, love this statement - and as you know, it definitely applies to humans also!! I don't have any advice as far as Kelso's treatment, but I wish you all the best and always keep those words with you!! smile
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#200465 - 12/20/11 09:24 AM Re: Kelso is home [Re: kaisersmom]
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Steph,

First as far as I'm concerned, your dedication to Kelso is what is keeping him alive. Your observations and action have taken him this far. I think that your vets need to be absolutely clear on exactly why they have recommended the mix of drugs without the addditions suggested. They have some rationale and it is their job to explain to you what it is-a life may be at stake. They should also go through a few possible scenarios for the future-if you observe X-what next versus Y-what next.

Like everyone, I look forward to updates about your boy (I was off for a few days). I hope so much for the best for all of you.

Mary Jane

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