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#205534 - 01/13/12 09:48 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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i know you have mentioned you wanted the dog for protection. just bbecause you become the leader does NOT MEAN IN ANY WAY that your dog will not protect you. when he is mature, you will find he will have your back (and your wife's and beautiful daughters, too!) in situations when he is needed .
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#205559 - 01/13/12 11:15 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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Schnickle Fritz, a dog that is afraid of every thing as the OP stated is not a dog that I would want protecting me. But in a way they do have their own value as a deterrent, more people were afraid of my DeeDee (rip) when she was on her home turf than Lakota (rip) or Cheyenne who I know would protect me. DeeDee was all bark bark, I will scare you off before you get to close. That can be a good deterrent.

Raya is my alerter, she is very alert to noises, she can tell me when a vehicle pulls off the road and into our driveway and never see them. But the cats can play on the deck and she never makes a peep.

So a deterrent in some cases can be just as good as a dog that isn't ready or capable of doing real protection.
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#205563 - 01/13/12 11:49 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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I haven't gone back and read everything....

I "get" the thing about the ears. With Indy (non-GSD), it was the opposite, I was really bummed when one went up, because I really like her ears down.

The training thing, I thing, I think that's been covered. I also agree, as a general rule, you need to train with your dog, and not send your dog to training. HOWEVER, I think it's MORE important for a dog that is afraid.

First, I don't trust people with my dogs. I have seen very bad things happen when dogs have been sent away to training. It might not be terrible, but what you can't see, you can't control.

Second, assuming everything is perfect with the trainer that you have chosen, for a dog that has fears, all the reasons that folks mentioned above hold, but even moreso. Training *with your dog* will develop the trust that your needs to have you in you so that the dog can start letting go of that fear.

For a fearful dog, I would make sure you are not feeding a food with corn or sorghum or by-products, would add some fish oil if it's tolerated, would go on the most minimum vaccination schedule that you can get away with, would watch for tick diseases and for future signs of hypothyroidism.
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#205666 - 01/14/12 08:07 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I agree that training with the dog would be beneficial to the relationship as dog following leader... however, I think being present and watching and just participating works too, though I might be wrong. The reason I said this is because I was the one who trained my dog... but no matter the fact that I did the raising, the exercises, the training... she will respond to my husband over me. She'll do what he says instead of listening to me... why, I don't know. Maybe it's because she considered him the alpha in the pack before I started the training, or because he's got a deep voice and is bigger than me.

However, she's more relaxed with the hubby around, but really goes into guard dog mode when he's not around me. She's really more likely to attack someone when I am alone than she is with the husband around. Hence is why I worked hard on the sit stay mode and learned her body language and learned my own body language so I can ensure no unnnecessarying nipping/biting occurs.

With that in mind, I'd like to make a suggestion to you. When your dog goes into fear aggression... watch his body language. And pay attention to your own body image. If your shoulders tense up, making you appear bigger, he's going to take that as a defense mode. You're reacting to a threat, so he will react too. If your hand is clenching to the leash- that's tension. If the leach line is tight and not loose- that is also tension. Tension builds aggression and you'll need to learn how to make yourself relax. Take deep breaths. Dogs can read us like an open book if we're not careful about the image we are exhibiting. If you're worried about something that will trigger aggression, such as a dog coming close, remain calm. Talk to him, have him lay down. If you seem calm and not worried, that will help the dog calm down. He'll probably have his hair stick up, but that's ok. Calm him down and keep talking to him.
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#205686 - 01/14/12 11:11 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: jeasy02]
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a dog that is afraid of every thing as the OP stated is not a dog that I would want protecting me.
a 20 ms old gsd in not mature...
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#205719 - 01/15/12 09:53 AM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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Originally Posted By: Schnickle Fritz
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a dog that is afraid of every thing as the OP stated is not a dog that I would want protecting me.
a 20 ms old gsd in not mature...


At 6 months old you can get a pretty good gauge of the stability of a dog's nerve. At 24 - 36 months the dog isn't going become a more solid nerved dog. At 20 months old and afraid of everything IMHO is not a strong nerved dog. Training will benefit the OP and the dog, but you can't fix poor nerve. You can teach a dog under less amounts of pressure to respond a certain way, but when more pressure is applied the dog will always revert to genetics. This is why nervy dogs can be titled, trainers will spend day in and day out training the dog, raising the bar and training more. Inside the ring the dog is a super star outside the ring the dog is a nut bag.

Like I said learning to become a good leader will help, training will help, but as far as a protection dog, a dog that is fear aggressive (if that is what the OP's dog is) is a liability because under pressure he will always revert back to genetics.
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#205840 - 01/15/12 10:37 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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oddly i beleieve that thier are gsd lines that mature late. may or may not be the posters dog. i think that what you deem nervymay be immaturity
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#205846 - 01/15/12 11:01 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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I’m sorry if I missed this somewhere, but is the dog neutered? If so, and was at a young age – I would also say this dog has not fully matured yet¸ and some of his hyper-nervousness may smooth out over time. Constant calm leadership, firm discipline and dedicated training will go a long way toward settling this dog down.
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#205848 - 01/15/12 11:08 PM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: GrandJan]
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I am not saying a 20 month old is fully mature, there is also that possible late fear period that happens. I think the OP and family would benefit from a good trainer.
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#205904 - 01/16/12 11:37 AM Re: My dog is so scared of everything [Re: GrandJan]
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Originally Posted By: GrandJan
I’m sorry if I missed this somewhere, but is the dog neutered? If so, and was at a young age – I would also say this dog has not fully matured yet¸ and some of his hyper-nervousness may smooth out over time. Constant calm leadership, firm discipline and dedicated training will go a long way toward settling this dog down.


headbang I forgot about the neutering part. I thought a dog tends to be more alert and reactive when not neutered? I know that neutering can curb a dog's behavior quite a bit...
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