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#205500 - 01/13/12 07:58 PM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: kaisersmom]
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Again, wishing you the best. I did the bone marrow. He did not have cancer of the bone so it said. I am sure that both you and I are hanging on the edge each day and it is not a very comfortable place to be. However, I bet that Kelso and Riley are really strong dogs and we all are going to get through all of this. Paws crossed for you and Kelso.

Many positive prayers for each of you each day.

Best from Sally and Riley and the pack.

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#205693 - 01/15/12 01:06 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: arycrest]
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Originally Posted By: arycrest
Originally Posted By: kelso
Originally Posted By: kaisersmom
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Kelso is doing pretty well though, seems more active so that is good


Do they think the bone marrow biopsy needs to be done right now? Since Kelso seems more active and is doing pretty well, would it hurt to wait a month or two and repeat the bloodwork rather than putting him through a bone marrow biopsy right away? Obviously I know you want a diagnosis and time to weigh the options if it is lymphoma or leukemia, but since he's doing better, I would be inclined to wait a little while for things to settle down a bit more and repeat the bloodwork and cytology before going ahead with a bone biopsy - but that's just me.

Fingers and paws crossed and good thoughts going out to you & Kelso! hugging


I tend to agree. That is why we have not called her back yet as we have been thinking about it ALOT. We actually decreased the pred last week after the vet visit and he really is doing good this week. Want to wait until he is stronger, but then again I do not want to be in "crisis mode" again when this might pop up (fever, low platlets ect) as that would again be a terrible time to do it.

We probably will not just repeat the cytology alone...as it is inconclusive alone...yet another gamble: if it comes back negative great than no biopsy probably, but if it is positive again we are in the same spot. It would be great if the cytology was really cheap or something...but it is $300 for the cytology alone! So part of me thinks why not just get the biopsy over with, it has been recommended three times now (first after the first crisis by the general vet, then the second time by the ER vet and now the specialist)

I just don't know... Wait until he is stronger or risk that he is going to get worse before better and then we don't have all the info we need.......

I am just pleased as punch that he his sitting behind me chewing on his bone like the good ole' days smile
hugging hugging hugging WOW, GREAT NEWS ABOUT THE DECREASE IN PRED!!!

What a difficult decision to have to make about the bone biopsy. I know you and Dan will continue to make the right decisions for Kelso (whatever they may be), it's really a tough call.

I have a question, if you didn't repeat the cytology, would the bone marrow biopsy give you a conclusive answer, or does it take both tests for an absolute diagnosis?

Just curious, I'm only familiar with the bone punch they use for testing for osteosarcoma ... it's a hit or miss procedure. What does the bone marrow biopsy entail ... multiple sites? one site? Will they have to put him under?

GOOD LUCK IN WHATEVER YOU DO!!!


It is supposed to be more conslusive than the cell testing they did, but as mentioned I am sure the pred could mess up the results.

I think it is one site, and yes they would have to put him under. The internist that we have been seeing would be the one that would do it

thank you all again
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#205694 - 01/15/12 01:08 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: Mary Jane]
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Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
I learned the term watchful waiting when David was first diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm. I like the whole concept.

Lifting the prednisone lets Kelso's physiology work things out a bit (not very clear, but you know what I mean). So if you see changes, good or bad, in energy or movement or mood, you can go on with the labs. I take your point.

Let's repeat Gayle: good luck in whatever you do!!!

MJ


agree, He does seem to be doing quite well with the pred dose decrease (fingers crossed) One would think he would be doing worse if it was cancer as stated before the pred could help cancer

And Ruth... your post made me teary!

Thank you everyone for the wishes
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#205695 - 01/15/12 01:15 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: kaisersmom]
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Originally Posted By: kaisersmom
I wish you all the best in whatever you decide. I know it's an incredibly difficult decision.

The problem I have is that some doctors and vets sometimes seem to have tunnel vision. Instead of looking at the whole situation and circumstances surrounding it, they zero in on one thing and try to treat it instead of taking everything into consideration - probably the nature of the beast where specialists are concerned - they focus on their specialty.

This is just my opinion and I'm not arguing with whatever you decide at all - but since Kelso showed absolutely no signs of leukemia or lymphoma prior to the vaccines (at least as far as I know), and then became quite ill with the hemolytic anemia, concurrent infections, etc., I would think the likelihood of this actually being lymphoma or leukemia are pretty slim. Also, I'm not sure how all of his recent illness would affect his bone marrow, but if it does affect that also, how accurate would a bone marrow biopsy be right now? I would think all that he's been through would do something to the bone marrow and it might also need time to recover.

I'll try to give you a similar example. When my mom had her total colectomy 3 yrs ago, spent a few weeks in surgical intensive care and 3 months in rehab, she was on tube feeds and IV feedings for quite some time - which from what I remembered from med schoo, are known to raise blood sugar levels. Well, one of her "specialists" saw the elevated blood sugar and diagnosed her with diabetes and started her on metformin and another drug that I can't remember. I asked the doc about the relationship of elevated blood sugar and the tube/IV feedings, and he basically said that was unlikely and that she had developed diabetes. Fast forward a few months - guess what.... no diabetes - they have no idea of what caused the elevated blood sugar a few months earlier, but she no longer had it. Oh....ok...couldn't be the tube and IV feedings, could it?! Once her body had time to recover from the stress of surgery, tube feeds, abdominal wall infection, etc., her levels also went back to normal.

I really do wish you all the best in whatever you decide!! hugging


agree with everything you are saying

thank you for sharing about your mom, I have seen quite a bit of that thing myself (tunnel vision) so am trying very hard to not do that.

the only theory with the vaccine and cancer, is that he did not have symptoms (we don't think..although he had slowed down just a tad but also just turned 5) and that the vaccine could have revealed it (it was there but no symptoms then the vaccine was the final insult to the immune system???) Again, just one of the theories
I don't know

Kelso is doing good, playing with his ball right now. His bladder control has improved alot with the decrease in pred (he is able to tell us when he has to go again) and he is starting to look bigger than his little sister again as well ..hehe

Hope you all are having a good weekend. Your posts are always something I look forward to reading here
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Riko z Vom Weberhaus, "Fez" 7/29/2012

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Kelso, b. 9/3/2006-2/9/2012


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#205696 - 01/15/12 01:16 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: RileyAnna]
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Originally Posted By: RileyAnna
Again, wishing you the best. I did the bone marrow. He did not have cancer of the bone so it said. I am sure that both you and I are hanging on the edge each day and it is not a very comfortable place to be. However, I bet that Kelso and Riley are really strong dogs and we all are going to get through all of this. Paws crossed for you and Kelso.

Many positive prayers for each of you each day.

Best from Sally and Riley and the pack.


I did not know you had done the bone marrow biopsy? What did that entail? Glad the results were good!

Best wishes, thoughts and prayers for you and Riley as well, thank you! hugging
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#205705 - 01/15/12 03:33 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: Qyn]
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Originally Posted By: Qyn
That is a great photo Steph, Kelso looks mighty fine for dog who is not 100% - hurry up Dan and figure out the damn camera ... ya know we love photos!

I've got my fist down the fat ladies throat so no singing is expected in the near future so that base is covered.

hugging Best wishes beaming your way from downunder. Here's one for Kelso for when he is ready. fetch


LOVE that you have your fist down the fat ladies throat! smile

And Kelso says thanks for the ball toss...he can catch it in his mouth, just not chase it quite yet, he is working on it! hugging
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#205706 - 01/15/12 03:58 AM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: Mary Jane]
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Originally Posted By: Mary Jane

Whatever is impairing Kelso's health-he is fighting hard and you are fighting. Put differently-you are doing everything you can and your big gorgeous boy is not anxious to leave you.

Please take some comfort in that.

Many best wishes to you both,
Mary Jane


I am catching up on alot of posts tonight, and really want to thank each and everyone for the thoughtful posts, it means alot

This is beautiful Mary Jane, he is fighting and hope everyday that we are doing him justice. We do try to take comfort in the fact he is doing well/trying so hard, and then at the same time "somethin just aint right"

but the med decreases have seemed to help so far, we have been fortunate with a mild winter for our bare bellied boy smile our patchwork quilt smile that's what I call him

I emailed Dr. Dodds again tonight to see what her thoughts may be with the vaccine ect ect
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Allie, gotcha 7/2007
Riko z Vom Weberhaus, "Fez" 7/29/2012

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Meeka, b. 10/31/1994-11/26/2006
Kelso, b. 9/3/2006-2/9/2012


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#205753 - 01/15/12 02:15 PM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: kelso]
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It's good to hear that he is feeling better with the decrease in pred thumbup
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#205759 - 01/15/12 03:34 PM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: kelso]
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Originally Posted By: kelso
... agree, He does seem to be doing quite well with the pred dose decrease (fingers crossed) One would think he would be doing worse if it was cancer as stated before the pred could help cancer
...

Originally Posted By: kelso
...
Kelso is doing good, playing with his ball right now. His bladder control has improved alot with the decrease in pred (he is able to tell us when he has to go again) and he is starting to look bigger than his little sister again as well ..hehe
...

Originally Posted By: kelso
...
LOVE that you have your fist down the fat ladies throat! smile

And Kelso says thanks for the ball toss...he can catch it in his mouth, just not chase it quite yet, he is working on it! hugging

Originally Posted By: kelso
...
This is beautiful Mary Jane, he is fighting and hope everyday that we are doing him justice. We do try to take comfort in the fact he is doing well/trying so hard, and then at the same time "somethin just aint right"

but the med decreases have seemed to help so far, we have been fortunate with a mild winter for our bare bellied boy smile our patchwork quilt smile that's what I call him
...
party groovy happyboogie

I am happy, pleased, delighted, overjoyed, thrilled, ecstatic, elated after reading all the positive news about Kelso's progress today!!! That old saying, "A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step" came to mind, and it seems to me that you and Kelso have walked at least a hundred miles since your last update!!!

grouphug fetch fetch fetch grouphug


Edited by arycrest (01/15/12 03:37 PM)
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#205822 - 01/15/12 08:32 PM Re: Leukemia/Lymphoma? [Re: arycrest]
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Glad the pred is starting to be reduced. You might see lots of difference fairly quickly, all for the good I hope.
Give him a pat from me and Holly and you and hubby keep up your strength and prayers.

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