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#234177 - 06/04/12 10:15 AM Havoc's Feet?
Kayos Offline

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Been doing agility with Havoc a long time and we have had a lot of problems dropping bars. We have worked and worked and worked on this. We have a UKC title but so far have NQ'd in AKC due to dropped bars. I decided to run him in preferred with lower jumps and it did not help.

It is not the height of the jump but the jumping style. Or is it?

I have the good fortune to be given the opportunity for occassional private lessons with Lori Michaels from All Star Agility in kansas. She comes down to Tulsa 3 or 4 times a year. She has had MANY great ideas for Havoc and I credit her with helping us work through the grabbing my arms problem.

We had two lessons yesterday with Lori and we worked on bars. She had many more ideas too in addition to some she has given me in the past so I have some more things to try.

BUT...... she watched and watched and said he acts like he does not notice he is hitting the bar. She added that it may not be large enough for him to notice the ticking as he hits it. He can knock an entire jump over and not really notice he has hit it.

Between lessons I took his feet and pinched him between his pads, no response. I pinched the top of his foot, no response. Havoc has limited feeling in his feet. He not not know he is hitting the bar because he may not be able to feel it. I know when he is working in very high drive at a trial he may not feel it as he is aroused. But he was pretty calm yesterday, in fact Lori remarked that he is showing much maturity than he had when she saw him last November.

What is up with the feet? Two theories:

1. Early stage DM (please NO!!).

2. Damaged nerves. He has had many yeast infections due to allergies. He is very allergic to clover and what field does not have clover? Despite me cleaning his feet he still licks and chews them. Has he damaged the nerves?

This is so odd and we all talked about it yesterday and scratched our heads.
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#234256 - 06/04/12 02:53 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Kayos]
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This is a bit disturbing! I'm sorry!

You know me, I will recommend a K9 chiro for an evaluation, to see if the back is contributiong at all. www.avcadoctors.com

I know that alph-lipoic acid is used by diabetecs not only to help maintain blood sugar control, but to keep foot nerve problems away. I used it in Indy, who had a neuromuscular problem, and she felt much better when I added it. Maybe something to look into?
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#234258 - 06/04/12 02:57 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Kathy, I pinched the top of Cheyenne's foot to check her response there was none. I would think a better test is to have some one else test his reaction. I know Chey didn't react because it was me doing it and accepts things I do to her.

Now if I took a foreign object and touch the top of her foot I get more of a reaction than I do with my hands.
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#234268 - 06/04/12 03:29 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Good idea Val.

My first culprit would be nerve damage from chewing his feet but DM scares the crap out of me and my heart skipped a beat.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#234275 - 06/04/12 04:03 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Kayos]
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Just the back feet or the front too?

Good idea about having someone else check too, Max wouldn't react when I messed with his feet.
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#234276 - 06/04/12 04:03 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Kayos]
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Kathy,

No suggestions, but I'm with you - DM is scary.

I'd much rather deal with something else.

hugging


Edited by Woodreb (06/04/12 04:09 PM)
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#234290 - 06/04/12 05:21 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Woodreb]
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Just the back feet.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#234331 - 06/04/12 08:19 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Kayos]
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Kathy, I just went and pinched the top of Anton's foot and got no reaction. Then I went and started tickling him in between his toes (back paw) from underneath, and he spread his paw wide so he felt it, but he didn't move or jerked his leg or anything. I think they are so used to us touching their paws that if the paws don't hurt they do not react.

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#234357 - 06/04/12 11:15 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: Kayos]
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
Just the back feet.

Well, that doesn't rule anything out.

Hopefully this is mainly because he is just well "foot socialized".
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#234362 - 06/04/12 11:28 PM Re: Havoc's Feet? [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I just did the same pinch test on Rafi and the only response I got was a look that said, "I'm trying to sleep Mom, do you mind leaving me alone?"

I agree with others that it may be because he is used to you touching their feet.
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