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#247580 - 08/14/12 01:35 PM Havoc is Not Right
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And we have no idea what is wrong with him. He has an appointment tomorrow but how do you tell the vet what the problem seems to be?

He has not been himself for about 5 days.

Last week my hubby was in New Mexico for his dad's funeral. Havoc seemed fine until Friday morning. I woke up about 3 AM to pacing in the kitchen, thought I was dreaming. Kayos came down the hall to get me up, the look on her face said "you gotta take care of this!" So I got up and came out to find that Havoc had diarrhea all over the kitchen. It was shades of Max all over. (Max did this a lot before he died.)

I cleaned it up and did not feed him breakfast. I had to take Kayos to Tulsa for her second HA injection and took Lydi with me. Left Havco out in the dog run and he had another very lose poop while I was gone. He got the grimy gut meal for 2 days and his stomach recovered.

But he has not been himself since. He seems fatigued and sometimes listless. His coat is good, his eyes are bright, his breath smells normal. His stools are normal, he is eating well.

Sunday he began limping on his right leg off and on. Hubby got home about 4 PM and saw him limping and then we noticed his wrist was swollen and he was in definite pain. I gave him a Tramadol til we could get him to the vet the next day (would have been yesterday). We got up yesterday and he was fine. So we figured maybe he had stepped wrong or knocked it when he was practicing his jumping in the yard on Saturday.

Today he seems draggy again. I went home at lunch to let Lydi out and discovered he is limping again. Something is wrong. Hubby is terrified he has cancer - me too.

He really dislikes Lydi and I wonder if he is depressed? I do know he is done something to his leg.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#247585 - 08/14/12 01:45 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Is it possible that he picked up the same funk that caused Lydi's episode of vomit & diarrhea? I don't know about the swelling. Try not to panic...easier said than done, I know. He could have just tweaked himself and is in a lot of pain.
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#247589 - 08/14/12 01:54 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: SLEACHY]
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I thought that too about the bug or whatever that got Lydi. They were about 10 days apart and as an adult he might have fought it off better.

I am not sure the limping is connected to him feeling badly or to the diarrhea. I think he twisted it while jumping.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#247593 - 08/14/12 02:08 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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No suggestions - but I hope Havoc will be OK. Sending good thoughts for him from CT.
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#247596 - 08/14/12 02:16 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Woodreb]
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Oh my gosh, Kathy, I am so scared for Havoc. I hope it's just a muscle sprain. The GI issues could be from heat, Anton has it sometimes this summer and we manage quickly at the first signs with slippery elm and Fortiflora. I really hope it's nothing bad.

So sorry to hear about Joe's father frown It's really tough time for you right now.. Hugs..

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#247598 - 08/14/12 02:33 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: GSD07]
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Oh Kathy, you really can't catch a break. I intended to post on Lydi's new thread, it's really wonderful she's herself again, but then I saw your concern about Havoc.

If you think he's off, he's off. It's easy to imagine that he might have picked up whatever Lydi had and was handling it until the additional strain of her return. I certainly don't know.

I just wish your family could all be healthy at once.

MJ

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#247601 - 08/14/12 02:41 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
And we have no idea what is wrong with him. He has an appointment tomorrow but how do you tell the vet what the problem seems to be?

He has not been himself for about 5 days.

Last week my hubby was in New Mexico for his dad's funeral. Havoc seemed fine until Friday morning. I woke up about 3 AM to pacing in the kitchen, thought I was dreaming. Kayos came down the hall to get me up, the look on her face said "you gotta take care of this!" So I got up and came out to find that Havoc had diarrhea all over the kitchen. It was shades of Max all over. (Max did this a lot before he died.)

I cleaned it up and did not feed him breakfast. I had to take Kayos to Tulsa for her second HA injection and took Lydi with me. Left Havco out in the dog run and he had another very lose poop while I was gone. He got the grimy gut meal for 2 days and his stomach recovered.

But he has not been himself since. He seems fatigued and sometimes listless. His coat is good, his eyes are bright, his breath smells normal. His stools are normal, he is eating well.

Sunday he began limping on his right leg off and on. Hubby got home about 4 PM and saw him limping and then we noticed his wrist was swollen and he was in definite pain. I gave him a Tramadol til we could get him to the vet the next day (would have been yesterday). We got up yesterday and he was fine. So we figured maybe he had stepped wrong or knocked it when he was practicing his jumping in the yard on Saturday.

Today he seems draggy again. I went home at lunch to let Lydi out and discovered he is limping again. Something is wrong. Hubby is terrified he has cancer - me too.

He really dislikes Lydi and I wonder if he is depressed? I do know he is done something to his leg.


I think you just tell the vet what you just told us. You know your dogs and you are such a great advocate for them, and if you know Havoc is "off" and something is not right, I'd say go with your gut and don't second guess yourself. I think start with the basic..fecal, blood panel, urine.

With all that you've been through, you didn't need this to come up. Big hugs to you... hugging I know it's hard not to think the worst, when you've been through it. I'm zooming positive and healing thoughts your way!
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#247605 - 08/14/12 02:52 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Mary Jane]
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Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Oh Kathy, you really can't catch a break. I just wish your family could all be healthy at once.

MJ



We had planned on vetting him yesterday but he quit limping so we did not take him. We have had so many vet bills plus the expenses of Joe's trip to NM, we decided to wait and see. We really would like a break. It seems when it rains it pours. Even the vet tech that answered the phone (dear Natalie) said it has been awhile since Havoc was in (last November)but wouldn't it be nice to have a break?
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#247613 - 08/14/12 03:33 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Wow, a strange combination of things going on. I hope the vet exam and tests give you an easy answer to his listlessness. hugging Maybe it's nothing. crossedfingers
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#247617 - 08/14/12 03:41 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Good_Karma]
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I really think it may just be depression. He does not like Lydi very much but is doing better with her. I don't know.

This same kind of "off" behavior happened with Wolfie, my white GSD. We thought it was due to the summer heat as he did not like the heat much. I ignored it, went to Chicago to visit my dad who had cancer, came back and a few days later Wolf collapsed, we rushed him to the vet at 11 PM and he was bleeding internally. I had to return to Chicago for my dad 2 days after that and we lost Wolfie to Hemangiosarcoma while I was gone. It was upsetting.

Havoc may be nothing but I do not want another Wolfie on my conscience if he is not okay.
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Kathy

PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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