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#248755 - 08/21/12 05:23 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Aww, sorry to hear that he can't do the agility any more. frown
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#248781 - 08/21/12 09:05 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
Off and on lameness. He is getting his Joint Health and Arnica now and just resting him. I think he is done with agility. Too much strain on his shoulders.

I'm so sorry frown

Has he ever had a chiropractic adjustment? I should know that, I know, just can't remember.
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#248834 - 08/22/12 05:08 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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#249094 - 08/23/12 04:45 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: bianca]
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Update!

Stopped at vets to pick up Pred for cat and got the tick panel results. Vet was surprised - Havoc is positive for Erlichiosis. It is a low positive but positive nonetheless and he is on Doxy for 30 days.

We almost opted not to run it as his other blood work was perfect. Apparently, the CBC may indicate possible tick disease. In Havoc's CBC was entirely normal. This may be old, he may have had it for awhile. I don't know - just glad we did the panel. Joe and i kind of looked at each other and saif should we? And then said yes we need to know for sure and what the heck, the bill was already out of sight what is $150 more?
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249099 - 08/23/12 06:22 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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This does not surprise me for some reason.

Kathy, do you have a copy of the bloodwork? If you're willing to share, I would be interested in seeing it.

If this is an old infection in particular, I would follow more aggressive treatment.

This may be affecting his behaviour.
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#249101 - 08/23/12 06:54 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I do have it but my scanner is persnickity. I may have to just right it out for you after dinner.

I thought the same thing about his behavior. I do believe this may be an old infection.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249109 - 08/23/12 08:08 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Sometimes you can take a picture with your cell and send it to your email to your computer and upload, if you can't upload directly from the phone.

Would also be interested in weight and dosage.
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#249122 - 08/23/12 09:32 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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K. I can give that a try. I just came in from outside exercising dogs and going to bed. Have to work tomorrow but I might take it to work with me. It will be a quiet day at the office anyway.

He is getting 4 a day and weighs 81 pounds. Not sure what strenght the capsule is.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249141 - 08/23/12 11:02 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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I sure am glad that this showed up on the test and that you ran that test!

The dose is the conservative dose. Some vets underdose even the conservative dose.

Will jot some notes for your consideration a bit later.
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#249157 - 08/24/12 01:28 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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A few notes....many things which you probably know, so forgive me if I repeat.

The aggressive dose used by the "tick vets" on the list and others is twice the dosage for twice as long, particularly for long standing infections. The goal is to reduce the chance of it flaring up, as this is an infection of the bone marrow and the blood vessels themselves, which can be particularly stubborn. Doxy in higher doses kills the organisms. At the conservative dose will keep them from multiplying and will depend on the competency of the immune system more than with the higher doses. Of course, doxy always with food, and if there are signs of acidity, you can take steps to mitigate that.

GSDs are particularly susceptible to the chronic form of ehrlichia by nature of their immune systems frown Infection is a process that, once past the initial stage, can take years to show up in the bloodwork. Since there is nothing glaring in the bloodwork, it's good that it's not severely advanced. Infection *and* treatment is hard on the liver, liver support is always recommended when treatment is started. Of course, probiotics.

As a matter of preference, I like to have something to monitor what is going on. Not just for this round, but assume that you are in this for longer than 30 days. You want to be able to check in in and see how his body is doing, even years after treatment has ended. There is no perfect way to do this. Two tools available to you would be titers, the type that SLEACHY has been using with Tooz, through Protatek, is the tick list preference (I believe that Tooz's are run yearly, you can always ask), and also regular bloodwork. I would consider running bloodwork (blood counts and liver values, I just run a panel since it's more cost effective) before stopping the doxy, and then every 2-3 months after treatment for a few times, then every 6 months for a few times and go from there. This is not only to look signs of recurrence or active disease, but to establish baselines for if there are future problems. This is one reason I'd like to see the bloodwork, just looking for something that would allow you to monitor and evaluate treatment. There was someone on the old forum that knew their dog's Anaplasmosis was flaring when their dog started losing hair on their toes - weird, huh?


Edited by MaxaLisa (08/24/12 01:33 AM)
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