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#249183 - 08/24/12 07:41 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Something else to add, is that tick disease affects the mood of the dog in some cases, too. Grimm was irritable when he had ehlichia and anaplasma. Grimm has a normally very sunny disposition! My sense was that he had a headache, as he seemed less happy about having his head petted-- and his ears were clean and fine. It did take about 1 week on the Doxy before I saw his mood return to silly-happy.

Just thinkin' about Havoc and Lydi. You've already done beautifully and have seen improvement in their situation, but considering treatment for TBD can help Havoc feel better and possibly feel more tolerant soon. crossedfingers
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#249202 - 08/24/12 08:57 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Braverhund]
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I hope these are readable. I had to take a picture and then do a screen capture to get them to rotate, everytime I try to rotate an image on my work computer it won't let me save.

Vet said ignore the platelets, almost impossible to get accurate platelet count.



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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249204 - 08/24/12 09:17 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Actually looking at this again, although all the liver values are in the normal range they are either low normal or high normal.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249274 - 08/24/12 03:36 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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I had a long reply typed on my tiny phone window and it shut down and I lost it. Hate that!!!


Originally Posted By: Kayos
Vet said ignore the platelets, almost impossible to get accurate platelet count.

That's a machine count, and an estimate, not as accurate as a hand count, but it's a ballpark figure. AND it's a clue that something was wrong. They aren't a smidgen low, nor are they clumped. One hallmark of Ehrlichia is low platelets, so expect that number to change. Also, dogs with Ehrlichia have a protein in their blood which will cause it to clump, so the next draw may come back as clumped.

The MPV is roughly the size of the platelets (average volume), and large platelets are the new ones. That MPV tending to the high end I believe is showing that the body has been making new platelets (to replace the ones lost).

The platelets will be important for you to monitor. The machine count will never be "accurate", but can still be interpreted. The labs I've used didn't have the MPV, so it will be interesting to see how that changes, I don't have a much experience with the MPV, Idexx just notes "LARGE" in their platelet comments after the slide has been reviewed.

The low liver values are great news! The elevated GGT alone I do not know - it is common in Ehrlichia for the GGT and the ALT to be elevated, perhaps you caught it at just the right time! I always recommend starting liver support with therapy, many dogs on the tick list have had rising liver enzymes once the doxy has started and there is die off.

You may see him feeling much better in just a matter of days crossedfingers
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#249280 - 08/24/12 04:22 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Cool!!!! I thought just the opposite with the liver values but that shows you I do not know squat.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249286 - 08/24/12 05:09 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
Cool!!!! I thought just the opposite with the liver values but that shows you I do not know squat.


LOL, it's good you don't know - means you haven't had to deal with those issues before!
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#249389 - 08/25/12 07:45 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I thought this would never happen to me...... But that is foolish thinking. Thanks for your help. Two days on 400mg of doxy and he is the same.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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#249408 - 08/25/12 10:15 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: Kayos]
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This darn stuff I everywhere, it's terrible.

And I swear that Max came here originally with something nasty tickwise that he brought from OK, where he was born frown

Response may not be as rapid on the lower dose, I dunno.
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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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#249409 - 08/25/12 10:18 AM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I am so glad that you have a diagnosis and that Havoc is responding well to the doxy. Maybe this will help his mood overall and he will turn into an excellent big brother. crossedfingers
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#249455 - 08/25/12 04:11 PM Re: Havoc is Not Right [Re: BowWowMeow]
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He is doing much better with Lydi. LAst night they played together for about 15 minutes before I separated them. I do not want him over the top and then biting at her.
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PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DN,HT,TKN,TC,CGCA 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo

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