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#252085 - 09/13/12 10:43 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: PositiveDog]
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Thank you bonnie smile

She was a little whiny towards the end of the day today, I'm wondering if she was just exhausted. She sure has a problem resting thought, wakes up at the drop of a pin, which has been the case since she got here.

Okay, week one done...tomorrow she gets to come to work with me, and then next week we start our regular routine.
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#252288 - 09/15/12 04:48 AM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I bet your students loved having her in class! Um....would it be time for some pics maybe...please! smile
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#252419 - 09/16/12 05:25 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: bianca]
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Hardly any time for pics these last couple of weeks, hope I get caught up soon!

She has had several dog encounters lately, all of a sudden, but I'm not sure I like the way she is playing, and I'm not sure if day care has anything to do with her behaviour, since she wasn't allowed to play much before because of her surgeries. She has played with a neighbor dog, and it has appeared nothing but sweet, though it seemed she was clearly sending signals to control the play.

So, Friday was interesting. I took her to work, and she played with two smaller dogs that she has played with once before. The first was a very small chihuahua. Jazz was a bit over the top, the chihuahua did a fair bit of growling at her, but they did play, and all seemed okay.

That afternoon at the picnic, she played with a smaller dachshund/wired haired Jack Russell type mix. She was really over tired, and maybe that had something to do with it, but I did not like how she played at all. She did a lot of nipping at the legs (there was blood on his inner thing and his hocks frown ), and she was just overbearing. She did a lot of sitting on top of him too.

At training yesterday, she wants to play with this mini-schnauzer, a little bigger than her, and she kept trying to put her head under him to roll him. The trainer didn't really like that, and when she got too amped, we stopped them.

That afternoon, she was playing with a friend's dog, a havanese, about the same size as her, and she was doing the sitting thing again, later in the play she was trying to reach under and nip the legs too, which I redirected.

I think my dog is a bit of a bully shocked These behaviours could also be from anxiety, getting the other dog before they get her.

She is very confident, while at the same time anxious, which is a weird combination to deal with. She often will turn to other dogs and shake her hind end at them, and use it to smack them or sit on them. I was asking one of the trainers about this, and her comment is that it takes an awfully confident dog to do that, to expose an area which has no teeth.

So, I've been thinking about that nature/nuture thread we had a bit a go. Wondering about the daycare thing. Maybe it's bringing this out by nature of making her more confident and this is really who she is. Or is she learning things there, and this really isn't who she is, or maybe somewhere in between.

Weird. I guess we'll see how next week goes.

I have a few pics that I'll post in a minute, but we haven't been doing anything fun though!
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#252420 - 09/16/12 05:31 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: bianca]
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(cell phone pics...)

Tried to get a pic of her collar, harness and leash combo, but she kept turning her head!


A tired girl:




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#252441 - 09/16/12 09:09 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I know I keep on repeating myself but she is so darn cute. So weird about her playing style. Isn't the nipping usually a "herding" sort of thing? Maybe she doesn't realize she is being too forceful? Could it be that she is just anxious because she really has not had a lot of playing the first few months in her new environment because of the health issues? I think that maybe all this will balance out since you are re-directing her. She will more than likely catch on eventually and understand where the balance it.
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#252444 - 09/16/12 09:28 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf]
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LOL, I tell myself a gazillion times a day how cute she is rofl

That's what I thought about the herding/nipping thing, but I guess another interpretation is a prey thing, and that makes sense to me.

I hope you are right that it's just being over-anxious, and will balance with time. I hope so, and I'm inclined to think so. She really is such a good girl at heart, I hate to thing of her as a bully. As a ring leader, maybe, bully no laugh
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#252455 - 09/16/12 10:04 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
at heart, I hate to thing of her as a bully. As a ring leader, maybe, bully no laugh


Jazzy? Bully? Naahhhh, not this cute precious thing. I am just going to believe this will work itself out with your caring guidance.
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#252459 - 09/16/12 10:08 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf]
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Originally Posted By: LMS
Jazzy? Bully? Naahhhh, not this cute precious thing.

I hope you are right! wub
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#252462 - 09/16/12 10:12 PM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Oh my gosh she is adorable!

She may not know how to play with dogs? For a few months, Lily's default was to jump on a dog's head as a greeting. I mean...that was so freaking obnoxious I almost couldn't stand it. I can't even remember how we worked that out! Having had dogs who are less than interested in meeting other dogs, which I am very pleased with, my opinion of her behavior was not a positive one. Oh, I do remember. Clicker, on leash, attention on me, click, treat, say hello - I need to rework that a bit - some dogs still illicit that response from her, but I think (if Jamie sees this) she's much better. But she had not been around dogs for her whole young life, mine were the first. When I took Ava to dog test her, she did that and Ava just gritted her teeth, and I was like wow, obnoxious!

Anyhoooo, I think when they don't know how to play, they are like close talkers and they over-try. Over play, over posture, over run, everything. If you can find some positive adult dog influences, who are capable of a correction that is fair if necessary - or are just the type dogs do not mess with - she may learn it more quickly than being taught. Plus she may also have some drives and tendencies genetically that will amp up whatever the behavior is.

Does she play with other dogs in daycare? Because I would stop that if so (LOL of course I would!) because she's getting lots of opportunities to practice these behaviors without a really good supervisory process (IMO overall).

Also, wanted to happily report that I had my first quiet shower since probably February, tonight! Nico barks when crated and I am out down the hall - which, if I am taking a shower, he is going to be crated, sorry little guy! So I gave him his "pacifier" dumbbell thing with kibble and ran to the shower. He didn't even realize I was gone (he's really into it) until he heard me leave the bathroom. Nice! So I am giving that Premier dumbbell 2 ears up!
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#252480 - 09/17/12 06:40 AM Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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She really is sooooooo adorable wub

Do you think it could just be pure overexcitment and not knowing what to do with it? I am so not an expert (obviously lol!) but just a thought.

Molly is a bit of a bully frown
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