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#249815 - 08/28/12 03:30 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca]
bianca Offline
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Oops I keep forgetting about the liver support, thank you Lisa. I will see if I can find something here.
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#249834 - 08/28/12 09:39 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca]
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Oh poppycock on that! Not the liver support! wink

IF there were no fix for it...that would be a different story. We have all seen dogs that have some weird/bad stuff and they do really well and enjoy their lives. They also definitely have different pain receptors as anyone who watches dogs play can attest!

The FHO is not something that most ortho surgeons WILL recommend, but that doesn't mean it isn't a good option, IMO*. Like for Cooper - he could have one THR and one FHO. Large dogs do okay with it, it's easier for little dogs. My vet does a ton of them on large dogs for people who are at that decision point of put down or FHO because they cannot afford the THR and I see those dogs there all the time - 90+ pounds - bouncing around with a new lease on life. I always defend them because I think that they make salvage operation sound like a bad thing, and I have seen nothing but good come from them.

If you want something for pain, a drug like Tramadol has less side effects, is typically more tolerated (always exceptions - Kramer would get knocked on his hiney by it until he really needed it) and acts as an actual pain reliever and not an anti-inflammatory. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tramadol.html

Doing a great job, Bianca, take your time!

*all in my opinion - no studies to back up my thinking!


Edited by JeanKBBMMMAAN (08/28/12 09:46 AM)
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#249839 - 08/28/12 09:57 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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Thank you so much Jean, I have saved that link. What I don't understand is why anti-inflams? How do they help when it is a bone structual problem? I'm a bit simple but I always thought they were for pulled muscles, soft tissue injuries? Although in saying that I found out on Thursday that I have arthritis in both my knees and my GP gave me Mobic.

I need to marry a vet laugh

My local vet actually said that he does FHO surgery but only on smaller dogs, under 20 kgs. I suppose this is something I should enquire further about.
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#249841 - 08/28/12 10:00 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca]
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I don't know - I guess they do help arthritis pain in people and joint pain - but I don't think, to me anyway, if I have back pain and you offer me a Tramadol or an NSAID, I am going to pick the Tramadol for pain. It's a good question that I am sure someone here knows!

YES - that is a great plan!

I think it may be more difficult to do on a larger dog maybe? Or you have to have a comfort level (probably from doing them often) with larger dogs? My vet is doing them all the time, like I said, because of the cost thing - people bring their dogs from all around to him, so he's used to it. Maybe that's it.
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#249843 - 08/28/12 10:06 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN]
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Thank you again. And I agree about the pain relief! I used to take Tramadol for headaches and they worked a treat...apart from I would get the munchies!!!

I just have to get organised and then start contacting some other specialists around the country. At least I have time smile
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#249850 - 08/28/12 11:01 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca]
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With ortho problems comes inflammation. The inflammation can cause more damage and speed degeneration, thus, the NSAIDs. Don't forget that most of the skeletal structure is supported by soft tissue and/or fluidy stuff.

Also, different classes of anti-inflammatories will do different things. Doxycycline as an antiinflammatory will be different than pred, which will be different than NSAIDs.

That GSD breeder - yes, that option is more cost effective, but, really...hearing something like that stings! hugging

Cooper will get fixed up and be fine smile
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#249858 - 08/28/12 11:30 AM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I know you have so many options to consider with all the ideas that we're tossing out there for you, but here's another: For pain management and inflammation, might you consider acupuncture and Chinese herbs from a Traditional Chinese Mesdicine vet?

My last dog had a "functional limp" due to the shape of the elbow joint actually changing due to advanced arthritis. I'd done NSAIDS, supplements, excersise-- everything. Acu and Chinese herbs made Chell comfortable and mobile again! thumbup

I continue to send you and Coopie-Sweets lots of positive energy today. paw
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#249870 - 08/28/12 02:07 PM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Braverhund]
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We had considered an FHO for Kayos's other hip after her THR. But she did fine with just the THR until this year. She is almost 10 so we said nno to surgery and explored other things. So an FHO on the better of the 2 hips adn a THR on the worst hip may keep him running for the rest of his lfe.

FWIW - the vet that did Kayos's initial dx also suggested pts. We opted not to do that, it would have been a drastic mistake and we were able to afford her surgery and continued management, some people cannot. Although REALLY unpopular, especially to the people that love them - pts is still something to consider and be honest about and talk about. That actually crossed my mind when I first responded. Certainly not to be decided lightly. I am just being honest and forthright here, that is kind of the way I am. I feel very much for you guys, having been in your shoes with bad hips, it is no fun.
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#249904 - 08/28/12 04:32 PM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Kayos]
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I think it isn't too shocking of a statement (the PTS thing) coming from a breeder. If it came from a vet I would give it more credence but coming from a person who is looking at the situation from a completely different perspective, you can take it with a big grain of salt.

I'm glad you are looking at other specialists. We didn't seek a second opinion with Rosa, but that was because the ortho doctor was really good at fully explaining our options and his reasoning for everything, as well as LISTENING to Don and his concerns (and addressing them). So if your ortho guy said anything you aren't 100% comfortable with (like his completely ruling out an alternative procedure, and also not giving you the option of only doing one hip and waiting to see if the second hip procedure was required), then I wholeheartedly support you seeking a second opinion.

That was a really wordy way of saying you are doing everything right and I know that if anyone can get Cooper through this and help him to live as normal a life as possible, it is you. hugging
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#249913 - 08/28/12 05:20 PM Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma]
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I will try and find out if there is anyone who does acupunture or alternative therapies anywhere near here thank you for the idea!

The breeder who suggested pts is also a vet. When my vet called me with the info from the specialist he also mentioned that as an option. I didn't let him finish so am unsure if that came from him or the surgeon (or both).

Kathy, I truly appreciate your honesty hugging

Yep was a bit of a blow to hear that as I'm holding out hope that someone will look at him and say it's not that bad! Doesn't seem that will happen.

Thank you all for being here hugging


Edited by bianca (08/28/12 05:23 PM)
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