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#274404 - 03/06/13 11:44 AM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Tried to get some pics the other day, but she is too fast!


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#274406 - 03/06/13 12:53 PM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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She is such a doll wub

In one of the dog books I read recently they said that SA is becoming an epidemic in dogs nowadays. It is actually a side effect of domestication. The author said that pretty much every single dog has the potential to develop SA, it is just a matter of teaching them as young puppies that it is okay if you leave them for a while.

I'm not sure if I believe that entirely or not, but it is an interesting perspective.
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#274417 - 03/06/13 01:44 PM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: Good_Karma]
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Jazz us so pretty and so athletic looking. fetch

Sad to know she still has health issues, but hopefully they will be better as she matures.
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#274468 - 03/07/13 03:34 AM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: PositiveDog]
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wub Eeeeee she is so darn sweet!!!! wub
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#274471 - 03/07/13 05:04 AM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: Good_Karma]
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Thank you, she is such a cool dog smile

Originally Posted By: Good_Karma


In one of the dog books I read recently they said that SA is becoming an epidemic in dogs nowadays. It is actually a side effect of domestication. The author said that pretty much every single dog has the potential to develop SA, it is just a matter of teaching them as young puppies that it is okay if you leave them for a while.

I'm not sure if I believe that entirely or not, but it is an interesting perspective.


I think that's an incredibly simplistic way of thinking about SA. I agree that many things can interrupt development and you can teach a dog to have SA, but even if you do everything right, it may not be enough, and you may end up with a SA dog from what I've learned. There is a genetic component to it, and possibly something more physiological?

In Dodman's dvd, there was one breed that he said he's never met a dog of that breed that didn't have SA (Weims? can't remember). He also said that the majority of cases show up as young adults, say 2 or 3, which seems very weird to me and beyond the puppy stage.

I do think there are a lot of problems with domestication that can make separation more difficult and I do think that people can create SA by the way they treat their dogs.

I had a panic attack once in my teens. It was a high stress event, and I think it was triggered by asthma, but I remember being out of control and not understanding at all what was happening. Jazz has little mini panic attacks all of the time, you can see it, but she recovers very quickly, and in public it happens much less frequently than it used to.

Now, is it better because she is more secure? Because her brain chemistry is better with better care and nutrition? She is more mature? I don't know, but there are lots of things I don't understand. Max was like this to a lesser degree, and I understood it much less then.

I wonder if under the surface of a lot of SA cases, there is more going on when the owner is home, it's just that having someone there allows the dog to be secure enough to deal with it better. I dunno.


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#274611 - 03/08/13 03:09 AM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Found this about GABA, which is very interestin, considering low IgA in GSDs, and many experience stress:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16971751/

Jazz gets the trembles in the car on the way in in the morning. After each of the two days that she has had this stuff, it stops fairly early into the drive, though the jury is still out.

I started all the new supps and he was kinda weird, so I'm starting one at a time now, and giving 1/2 a dose of the GABA. I think the amount in a capsule is way to much for , 18 pound dog.


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#274612 - 03/08/13 06:53 AM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Yeah, like I said I didn't completely agree with the author. This was the same author that also said all you needed to have a well adjusted dog was to socialize well during puppyhood. But I did like the admission that all dogs are indeed prone to SA. That part made sense to me, as we have bred them to be so handler aware, and dependent upon us for everything.
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#288118 - 07/03/13 08:18 PM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: Good_Karma]
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I've been thinking about a few things lately.

The first is this article I just saw on FB: http://caninesinaction.com/2011/06/storm...tional-baggage/

I had someone tell me how we creat SA, and that it's all about leadership. I think, for real SA, that's an awfully simplistic point of view, and a bit of a cop-out. I don't for a minute discount that we can create SA, but not all SA is mild or moderate, and it's not all about being the leader. It's about teaching someone, that doesn't understand the world, to face and defeat a fear that is so bad that it makes them vomit, makes them pee or poop, makes them loose all control of their senses.

I've also been thinking about this article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130621095502.htm and the "secure base" phenomena. Makes perfect sense to me. If I'm around, Jazz is extremely confident, wandering far away from me if we are out in fields, etc.

However, "absent owner" sees a very different dog than they would, even if I am far away from her.

Overall, we do have progress. I still cannot leave her alone, but I have not been able to work on that. (Health issues have intervened and contribute to the anxiety: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbt...ways#Post275297 ).

But..... I can crate her in the house for short periods of time. I have left her for short periods of time in the house alone (when the neighbor's dog was loose and I had to bring him home). I am leaving her in the house behind a closed door when I go outside, or the garage, with greater success. At school, I have left her in my office for a few minutes without a peep. These all may sound very trivial, but before all these things would trigger a complete fear freak out.

I haven't been able to find food rewards to help distract her, but, until now, she was too afraid really for me to use this tool. I think we might be ready to ramp this up a bit. I have tried really hard not to suppress who she really is, and what I find, is that she is not really a velcro dog, but a confident, protective, energetic, outgoing girl, as long as she knows I am somewhere present. Secure Base Effect I guess.
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#290320 - 07/27/13 03:13 PM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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#290331 - 07/27/13 05:50 PM Re: Separation Anxiety (Jazz) [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I thought of you when I saw that article in my feed today.

How is Jazz?
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