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#268500 - 01/19/13 05:22 PM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: Shepherds]
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Bianca, if it is indeed epilepsy with partial seizures:

Seizure meds are inexpensive, and acc to the literature, most dogs respond. I had one foster dog myself who was an epileptic, and he has been fine on the meds for years, as do the others that I watched in rescue. I would not do an MRI, unless there are plenty of funds, usually nothing can be seen. If anything diagnostic, then an EEG. Acc. to Dodman, most but not all dogs with seizures show the patterns of epilepsy in an EEG. None was done with my foster dog.
I'd take her to her vet again and discuss this possibility.

Occipital lobe seizures is a guess based on what you describe. More on the triggers for partial seizures in the occipital lobe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

In your log of her episodes, I'd include factors such as
exposure to TV, computer games (the moving dots), fluorescent lights incl. energy saving bulbs.
I doubt adorable Ms Moo goes to a disco with a disco ball!

And, if the setup of your house permits it, keep her as far away as possible from these stimuli for a week or so, with a closed door in between, relax, and see how she does.

This is something for her vet. In specialty veterinary medicine, epilepsy seems to be in the expertise of both veterinary behaviorists (especially if they have access to the apparatus for an EEG) and neurologists. But most dogs with seizures are treated by their regular vets.

I don't remember where she came from. Is there perhaps a breeder who should know whether there is epilepsy in her/his lines?

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#268503 - 01/19/13 05:30 PM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: shepnterrier]
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I found this list for resources on epilepsy:
http://www.berner.org/pages/neurological_disorders/canine_epilepsy_links.php

Overwhelming for now, but at least some of the sites should be useful.

I looked for yahoo groups, and there seem to be 2 in the US and one group in the UK. They can be great or horrible, I had good experiences (FIP group, feline asthma inhaler) and one bad (feline asthma).

Lisa, perhaps add these links and the one that shepherds posted to the sticky on epilepsy/seizures?
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#268539 - 01/20/13 12:28 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: shepnterrier]
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Originally Posted By: shepnterrier

I don't remember where she came from. Is there perhaps a breeder who should know whether there is epilepsy in her/his lines?
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Bianca....if you don't know anyone who can help with this....I can. Are you in touch with Molly's breeder and do you have a good relationship with them? Whilst it shouldn't be the case....unfortunately mention the word epilepsy (given its known genetic predisposition)....some breeders will run a mile and duck for cover.

And whilst most ethical breeders would stop breeding with any knowingly affected animal and remove them from their programs....unfortunately some will not....

Shepnterrier also had some great ideas about limiting Molly's exposure to certain things...and keep really detailed notes of when episodes occur and I'm sure you will get a much clearer picture of what is stimulating her.
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#268540 - 01/20/13 01:38 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: Shepherds]
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Thank you Marie, that really does sound like it could be something very similar.
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#268542 - 01/20/13 01:46 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca]
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Sarah thank you so much. I guess I should give the extra B vitamins, probiotics and now the digestive powder a week to see if there is any difference. If not I will print out info and go to the vets and see if he agrees its a possibility.

I used to have a good relationship with her breeder but not since we've moved. I do know she never bred again. All I know of Molly's sire is he had one litter before and there were also soft eared pups in that one frown

I started a diary this morning of what she is eating, what the weather is like, her mood etc.
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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
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#268553 - 01/20/13 05:34 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca]
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Originally Posted By: bianca
Sarah thank you so much. I guess I should give the extra B vitamins, probiotics and now the digestive powder a week to see if there is any difference. If not I will print out info and go to the vets and see if he agrees its a possibility.

I used to have a good relationship with her breeder but not since we've moved. I do know she never bred again. All I know of Molly's sire is he had one litter before and there were also soft eared pups in that one frown

I started a diary this morning of what she is eating, what the weather is like, her mood etc.


Hi Bianca......did you get pedigree papers with Molly? If so pm me the details of the sire and the dam and I will let you know about her breeding.
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#268559 - 01/20/13 11:42 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: Shepherds]
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Good idea about adding the links to the sticky.

Wonder if the house has a high formaldehyde (sp?) content? I would ask if you are getting more headaches, etc., but under the stress you've been in, it would be understandable!
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#268643 - 01/21/13 02:25 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thank you Marie, I have her dams papers and her grand-sires only. Don't know who her sire is. The things I would have done then if I knew what I know now!

Lisa, I have almost constant headaches but that has been like that for as long as I recall. Will read up about formaldehyde.
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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.

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#268644 - 01/21/13 05:11 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca]
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I remember about the headaches frown

I was thinking that your house was new-ish. If not, that won't be an issue.

If you are doing the vitamin therapy, you might as well give that B complex you have also, give it a full trial. The other thought is something with the food, ince, if I recall, that was a major change after you moved. I have heard of several seizure dogs that were managed via food. It might not be true seizures, bit some weird nutrient requirement or sensitivity she has. Still curious about flashing lights or sounds.
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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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K9 TBD info and Tick List Links
http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/

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#268652 - 01/21/13 06:45 AM Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thank you Lisa, nope our house is old.

Ok back to the stinky huge multi B tomorrow night lol! I am running out of room on my kitchen bench for all their potions! Dad wanted to build me a partial shelf in the cupboard below but then I'd forget them!

Yes before we moved she was on 100% raw, now on 50%. They are both on Canidae (grain free) dry but she only gets 2/3 - 3/4 of a Cup with dinner. I actually said to Brad today that next week I will buy a small bag of something else to mix in (to switch totally) as they both burp an awful lot. There isn't a heck of a lot to choose from here though.
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Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.

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