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#275330 - 03/13/13 04:53 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: bianca]
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I saw fly biting. But what vet said is that often there are virtually undetectable signs of seizure, like flickering eyes, eyerolls, staring off into space, that sort of thing.

Once he said that, I recalled that at the surgeon's office, the techs would mention that sometimes, Celo "would get that look," and he would be kind of weird. They knew to stand by quietly for a minute or two and then he was fine; totally compliant, in fact.

I had always assumed he was being a little reactive and just didn't like a relative stranger startling him as they approachied his kennel (especially if he had been snoozing) too abruptly. I know he liked it there and adored the staff. He would start bellowing with excitement in the car as soon as I made the turn to the hospital, about 2 miles away. And he would happily trot off with them for treatment. So reactivity didn't completely make sense. But it's all I had to work with.

As soon as the neurologist said "staring off into space" (and I had already realized that he usually came out of his fly biting episodes anxious), it was like someone hit me over the head with a 2x4.

As we were working out the perfect dose if his meds, that's exactly what I saw in the early evenings (his seizure threshold drops tremendously when he's tired): staring off for a few seconds, followed by weird anxiety. Later in the evening, it's subtle fly biting. At night, fly biting that actually wakes him up. The frequency, intensity and duration were increasing at a frightening rate. (It seems like it came out of nowhere, but I wonder how long he was having smaller partial seizures and I was oblivious to what was going on.) I had another neurologist I totally trust and I planned to use, with an appointment scheduled. But my vet said I couldn't even wait to drive up there. I was given this referral. He fit me in asap, and I have been extremely happy with his care.

Between Celo's medicine and a good nap every day, we haven't seen any of that since about December.

And I watch him like a hawk, which you might find surprising. Or not. laugh

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#275334 - 03/13/13 06:47 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I was so hoping Jazzy's problems would be lessening as she grew.

I hope your vet has more concrete news after she is scoped. frown At least then you will know what you are dealing with and can make a good plan for her.


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#275336 - 03/13/13 06:52 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: PositiveDog]
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Lisa, I have no advice, simply good thoughts being sent for your darling sesame seed spunkette. wub May her health issues be something you can get a definitive diagnosis on, and a treatment plan that brings relief to you both! crossedfingers
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#275338 - 03/13/13 06:54 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: 3K9Mom]
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What is fly biting?

Lisa, like Bianca I too hope that her procedure gives you some answers. Nothing is more frustrating than having a mystery illness (or several of them!).

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#275350 - 03/13/13 08:54 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Good_Karma]
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I think fly biting is random jaw snapping like at an imaginary fly? My Max did this. He also did the stare off into space stuff adn even sometimes forgot how to listen like he was in some zone somewhere. In 2003 the vet did not think this was random seizure disorder ( I did think it was) we did not do an MRI and he eventually kind of out grew it as he aged and calmed down.

I hope you can find some answers for Jazz.

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#275354 - 03/13/13 09:16 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Kayos]
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Lisa, my two have been through the grinder. I can't lend advise but also just wanted to express thoughts and wishes for better health for Jazzy and a break from all these health challenges. Hugs.
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#275361 - 03/13/13 09:50 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: TimberWolf]
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Lisa, sorry you and Jazz are going through this! I hope you get some good answers at your appt.

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#275374 - 03/13/13 10:55 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: bianca]
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geez i am sorry to read this... hope you get some answers soon
Have a great day!!!

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#275376 - 03/13/13 11:09 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate it! I just want her to be okay and not have any more pain...or surgeries frown

Lori, thanks for all that description, I will be on the watch too paranoid2 She has had puffy neck glands on occassion. Her long term vet, who herself had salivary gland problems and had to have them removed, thought it might have been spasms due to that (speaking from her personal experience), and some google showed that that' not uncommon. I had forgotten about that, but I guess I was just holding onto that thought, but certainly I need to watch for other signs of possible seizure activity. She is also low normal thyroid - I'm vet said that may resolve once she is better, or not.

Part of me is more inclined to think neuromuscular problem.

Max was a fly biter, but there were always actually flies, but I always made ure of that shocked
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#275378 - 03/13/13 11:30 AM Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa]
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frown Poor Jazz and Poor you!!

I have no experience with dogs with seizures, I do have some weirdness of my own though.

I have a thing that happens where it feels like my brain is rolling over in my skull - very odd and a second thing where the skin crawls up the back of my neck over my scalp and then I feel a non-painful "zing" down my arm (This is triggered by sound).

I wore a monitor for 24 hours (I was pretty at work that day rofl) and it showed no seizures. I then had a sleep deprived EEG and though it showed no seizures it did show "abnormal electrical activity in my temporal lobe". I took medication for a time for it but decided the cure was worse than the illness when I found I couldn't think correctly and it was impacting my job.

What I have found over the years is that if I am sleep deprived then this all ramps up and if it's also cold I add in a restless leg/arm type issue even though I'm awake.

All that to simply say that I honestly believe that even without seizures I believe brains can do some odd things that impact the living being in odd ways.

I so hope you get to the bottom of this with Jazz, for both your sakes!

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