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#292626 - 08/21/13 01:38 PM Dr. Becker and raw
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I was just wondering if anyone here feeds their dog dr.beckers diet? I know a lot of people on here feed the prey model and I was wondering what y'all thought of dr.beckers opinion that it isn't healthy to just give your dog RMBs, MM, and OM. That you need to add supplements, vitamins and minerals, and fruit and vegetables or you will have irreversible damage. I have a new puppy that I was going to switch to a raw diet but she kind of made me nervous thinking that my pup would be getting a bad diet and will be a very unhealthy pup. What do you all think? Any comments would be much appreciated! smile
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#292634 - 08/21/13 02:34 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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We've been feeding raw for about three years. Other than genetic based issues (bi-lateral hip displaysia & hypothyroidism) and one nasty b*^%# if a disease brought on by genetics triggered by vaccinations (currently dealing with SLO in our male) our dogs are *very* healthy. We've had vets get wide-eyed and drop their jaws when they open the dog's mouths for their annual teeth check and ask if we brush them because they are in such good shape. They are amazed at how clean their teeth are and that they've never had a dental and don't need one even at 6 and 7 years of age and probably never will.

When we fed other foods, tried about a dozen kinds of Grade A dog foods at Grade A prices LOL! Nissa got ear and urinary type infections 3-4x a year. Riley had episodes of vomiting for what seemed like no reason at all. He would just vomit once every 6 weeks or so almost like clockwork. Nissa used to eat poop constantly, Riley more than I like to think about.

Since raw there has not been one ear infection, not one urinary infection, no vomiting and no poop eating. Riley often would not eat dry food of any kind or he'd eat it a few times and then stop eating it. We also tried just as good a quality canned and dehydrated.

They do get Dasuquin with MSM for Riley's hips (he had FHO surgery on both) and we give it to Nissa to help ward of any arthritis she may get as she gets older. She was hip-tested and she doesn't have HD.

They occasionally get some cooked meat treats, Riley loves spinach, they both love a spoonful or two of fruit yogurt mixed with cottage cheese a few times a week and other occasional people food treats.

Raw works for us. So at our house, if it ain't broke we ain't gonna fix it smile
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#292640 - 08/21/13 03:06 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: FurKids]
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I am curious what irreversible damage she is talking about? I have weaned 6 litters and raised countless puppies on raw without feeding veggies/fruits and tons of supplements.
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#292642 - 08/21/13 03:12 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Thank God for raw! Grimm had horrible chronic SIBO, a condition where the dog's own normal gut flora has an overgrowth. Raw was the solution! I do add fish oil and E, because the agri-farmed meats used today are all fed a heavy corn diet, and the omega 6 needs some omega 3 to balance things out to avoid much inflammation. Yogurt? Sometimes. Veggies? Eh, now and again. Mainly, it's MM, OM, and RMB! groovy
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#292650 - 08/21/13 05:23 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: lhczth]
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Originally Posted By: lhczth
I am curious what irreversible damage she is talking about? I have weaned 6 litters and raised countless puppies on raw without feeding veggies/fruits and tons of supplements.



I glanced though her book real quick but she doesn't mention anything specific. She claims that giving a dog bones like a turkey neck can be dangerous if they don't crunch it up. I'll share some info from the book:

"A novice raw feeder doing Internet research will find many websites by those feeding nothing but chicken backs or leg quarters. Writers say that they have never had a problem with this very unbalanced diet. This may be true for their dogs, but we have seen problems, especially with young, growing dogs, and we wish to spare you the experience. The chart opposite shows the nutritional balance of such a diet. There is no iodine, and almost no vitamin D, two essential nutrients. Other minerals are short from 30-70%. 65% of the calories come from fat, as compared to about 45% in the ancestral diet."

"We find that the people feeding fresh food diets who drift the farthest from the balance of the ancestral diet are those who feed what is called "prey model". They are often feeding nothing but bony meats or chicken quarters. Because we feed only some parts of animals, other vital parts (spleen, pancreas, blood, brains, etc.) are missing. We need to make substitutions for the parts we are unable to get from the grocery store. This is done through adding fatty acids, minerals, and other nutrients. We are all for the prey model but this approach must include all the components that provide essential balance, and we just don't have some available - so we need to substitute not omit."

So her diet is muscle meat, bone meal, organ meat, fruits and veggies, krill oil, hemp oil when you feed beef, and flax oil when you feed chicken or turkey. You also need to add an egg four times a week and a can of sardines or salmon four times a week. You also have to make your own mineral mix of salt, iron, manganese, zinc, iodine, vitamin e, and taurine.
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#292651 - 08/21/13 05:26 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Thanks everyone for your opinions! Y'all are making me feel better for the big switch. I am curious as to what y'all think about the info I posted above.
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#292652 - 08/21/13 05:34 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Honestly, I'd just feed raw the very best that you can. Try to round out & balance the diet by adding some whole prey now and again. This means simply tossing in some sardines, canned mackerel, or some affordable frozen (defrosted) whole fish, guts 'n all.

A really neat source is Oma's Pride's website, where they will UPS you some bags of frozen sardines (small herrings!).

Try not to worry too much. Balance the raw diet-- but don't worry! It's not balance per each meal, it's balance over time. Kinda like how we feed our own human kids. They don't get eggs, salad, fish, fruits and whole grains at every meal-- we feed those things over the course of a week. So, the diet is balanced... over time. smile

For a lot of dogs, chicken quarters are basicly a complete meal. I've fed them almost exclusively for a short period of time, now and again, though I admit to also tossing my dog his fish oil caps, vitamin E, an occasional glob of yogurt, and an occasional hunk of fruit, veggie, whatever, whenever. Raw rocks!

PS-- Remember, too, when dogs get duck or turkey necks, they get the cartilage and good stuff in those necks besides just meat and bone. Chicken backs usually come with kidneys stuck to 'em, as do chicken quarters, most often. Just being mindful about what goodies are in the meal's ingredients makes you feel good about feeding these parts of the meal. Yeah! laugh
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#292659 - 08/21/13 05:51 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: Braverhund]
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Originally Posted By: Braverhund
Honestly, I'd just feed raw the very best that you can. Try to round out & balance the diet by adding some whole prey now and again. This means simply tossing in some sardines, canned mackerel, or some affordable frozen (defrosted) whole fish, guts 'n all.

A really neat source is Oma's Pride's website, where they will UPS you some bags of frozen sardines (small herrings!).

Try not to worry too much. Balance the raw diet-- but don't worry! It's not balance per each meal, it's balance over time. Kinda like how we feed our own human kids. They don't get eggs, salad, fish, fruits and whole grains at every meal-- we feed those things over the course of a week. So, the diet is balanced... over time. smile

For a lot of dogs, chicken quarters are basicly a complete meal. I've fed them almost exclusively for a short period of time, now and again, though I admit to also tossing my dog his fish oil caps, vitamin E, an occasional glob of yogurt, and an occasional hunk of fruit, veggie, whatever, whenever. Raw rocks!

PS-- Remember, too, when dogs get duck or turkey necks, they get the cartilage and good stuff in those necks besides just meat and bone. Chicken backs usually come with kidneys stuck to 'em, as do chicken quarters, most often. Just being mindful about what goodies are in the meal's ingredients makes you feel good about feeding these parts of the meal. Yeah! laugh


Thanks Patti! That makes me feel better. I'm kinda worried about how I can give my puppy a whole fish when he's just a tiny sheltie. His adult weight will be around 16-18#.
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#292668 - 08/21/13 09:08 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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I'm terrible at match. I'm sorry! But, whatever the formula for raw feeding puppies is based on the adult weight, there are teeny fishies to feed whole. wink Grimmi has enjoyed whole frozen smelt and capelin-- those are about as long as your hand. So easy and fun to feed! Russian groceries often have them, and I guess you could Google online to find a source, too. Just a thought!
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#292678 - 08/21/13 11:58 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: Braverhund]
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Originally Posted By: Braverhund
I'm terrible at match. I'm sorry! But, whatever the formula for raw feeding puppies is based on the adult weight, there are teeny fishies to feed whole. wink Grimmi has enjoyed whole frozen smelt and capelin-- those are about as long as your hand. So easy and fun to feed! Russian groceries often have them, and I guess you could Google online to find a source, too. Just a thought!


Thanks for the suggestions. I don't know why I was thinking all fishies are huge.
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