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#292680 - 08/22/13 12:25 AM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Sardines would work nicely for your sweetie. Be careful with canned mackerel, brine is very salty so look for canned in water or something like that.

Just to clarify, I know some do but we don't feed whole big chunks of animals that they have to rip meat off of.

We get our meat at the meat market and markdown meats at Walmart. Our dogs prefer it frozen. Giving my dog a frozen bone is scary to me so when I give them bone-in I nuke it on defrost just long enough that it's frozen but not rock hard frozen. We also feed a good variety, not just chicken quarters and turkey necks. We include things like liver, gizzards blah blah blah following the "formula" of averaging 80% muscle etc, 10% bone, 5% each organ and liver.

Our meat market has a lot of raw for dogs and they are expanding this due to popularity. I order heart meat ($1.49lb) in like 20-25lb quantities (according to available freezer space). They cut it up for me in 1" slabs and then random cut it the other direction so that we have a variety of shapes and sizes. When we pick it up, it's all cut up and in a very large bag that I then fill up gallon size zip lock freezer bags about 3 bags a week, redo as needed. Helps when weighing it out for meals and I don't have to chop up heart smile I picked up a very large pork loin (or something like that) this last week on sale for $1.78lb.

When people question you about giving your dog bones (and some will ask!) you can assure them it's *cooked* bones that splinter. We do stay away from pork necks, they just seem very sharp the way they're cut up.

Just a few examples for you.
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#292681 - 08/22/13 12:41 AM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: FurKids]
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Originally Posted By: FurKids
Sardines would work nicely for your sweetie. Be careful with canned mackerel, brine is very salty so look for canned in water or something like that.

Just to clarify, I know some do but we don't feed whole big chunks of animals that they have to rip meat off of.

We get our meat at the meat market and markdown meats at Walmart. Our dogs prefer it frozen. Giving my dog a frozen bone is scary to me so when I give them bone-in I nuke it on defrost just long enough that it's frozen but not rock hard frozen. We also feed a good variety, not just chicken quarters and turkey necks. We include things like liver, gizzards blah blah blah following the "formula" of averaging 80% muscle etc, 10% bone, 5% each organ and liver.

I look at where things are packaged, most mackarel and sardines are packaged in China or other Eastern Countries. I try to stay with Canadian or US(yea,right/nothing is US packed anymore) packaged fish, and don't buy the farm raised but wild caught.
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#292697 - 08/22/13 09:35 AM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Originally Posted By: samralf
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I'm terrible at match. I'm sorry! But, whatever the formula for raw feeding puppies is based on the adult weight, there are teeny fishies to feed whole. wink Grimmi has enjoyed whole frozen smelt and capelin-- those are about as long as your hand. So easy and fun to feed! Russian groceries often have them, and I guess you could Google online to find a source, too. Just a thought!


Thanks for the suggestions. I don't know why I was thinking all fishies are huge.


We've fed minnows too which are small and can be bought at most bait stores. Our cat loves them too and they seem to be just the right size for him. I usually cut off the tail and top fin. No real value in feeding that and many times the dogs will just leave that behind anyway. You can also buy them freeze dried online. http://www.petextras.com/Freeze-Dried-Minnows-PE71.htm
They are very popular dog treats in Australia I hear.

Canned fish (sardines/mackerel) is fine but go with fresh when it's available to you.

PS. Great advice Patty!


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#292716 - 08/22/13 03:30 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: Vinnie]
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Thanks y'all. I have a fish market not too far from me that I'll go check out now that I've gotten some help from you guys. smile
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#292719 - 08/22/13 04:24 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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Vinnie, minnows, absolutely! Great idea! We don't worry much about mercury either, as fish isn't an everyday thing. But it's a super way to get whole prey into the dog's diet a few times per week or a few times per month. You can also use any type of bait fish like killies. Grimm is a seasoned raw-fed dog, and has crunched happily through huge fins, long rows of spines, and even the schnoz on a meter-long needlefish! shocked wow Dogs learn to be very thorough and sensible, and a dog who has been exclusively raw-fed for years develops some kick-butt gastric enzymes & stomach acid! paw We live by the sea, and Grimm's well-accustomed to this. Otherwise, to start with, I would strongly recommend much easier fishies as mentioned above. thumbup
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#292720 - 08/22/13 04:36 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: Braverhund]
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Yikes, sorry that came out all in red! hammer Just the disclaimer about starting with easier fish was meant to be highlighted. D'oh! rofl
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#292742 - 08/23/13 12:50 AM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: Braverhund]
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Originally Posted By: Braverhund
Vinnie, minnows, absolutely! Great idea! We don't worry much about mercury either, as fish isn't an everyday thing. But it's a super way to get whole prey into the dog's diet a few times per week or a few times per month. You can also use any type of bait fish like killies. Grimm is a seasoned raw-fed dog, and has crunched happily through huge fins, long rows of spines, and even the schnoz on a meter-long needlefish! shocked wow Dogs learn to be very thorough and sensible, and a dog who has been exclusively raw-fed for years develops some kick-butt gastric enzymes & stomach acid! paw We live by the sea, and Grimm's well-accustomed to this. Otherwise, to start with, I would strongly recommend much easier fishies as mentioned above. thumbup


Thanks for the tip! I thought the red made it easier for me to read. smile
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#292776 - 08/23/13 12:37 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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She gives no reasons for her claims and then describes a very poor diet as an example of the whole prey model. Far better to just describe what she feeds and the reasons why instead of adding the rest. IMO what you quoted makes her ideas less creditable.
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#292827 - 08/24/13 09:44 AM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: lhczth]
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She gives no reasons for her claims and then describes a very poor diet as an example of the whole prey model. Far better to just describe what she feeds and the reasons why instead of adding the rest. IMO what you quoted makes her ideas less creditable.


That's what I was thinking. I think it's kind of fishy that the stuff she wants you to add are the stuff that she just so happens to sell......
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#292911 - 08/25/13 01:28 PM Re: Dr. Becker and raw [Re: samralf]
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That's what I was thinking. I think it's kind of fishy that the stuff she wants you to add are the stuff that she just so happens to sell......


Hmmm, imagine that ... interesting.
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