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#33336 - 04/18/10 01:16 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe]
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The pred and benadryl is the standard recommended treatment.

Your vet may not know about the anti-cancer props of tagamet - I brought in the LEF stuff for my vet to see. She was very impressed by it. There shouldn't be an issue with they thyroid, unless it's autoimmune, and then you'll know because Banshee will start gagging a bit if the thyroid swells. Most likely it shouldn't be an issue, and certainly, right now, the mast cell disease is the over-riding factor.

Indy had very localized cancer, nothing showed in her bloodwork - I'm not sure anything will as long as the organs are okay???? I wonder if the eosinophils would be high? Indy's weren't high, but they were lower after her surgery.

I was looking the other night to see if curcumin or IP6 would help with mast cells, didn't find anything definitive on either. I know both of them are very good for colon cancer though.

As for that dehydrated product you linked - still looks high in starch? There are two reasons why raw is good for cancer. The first is that grains and starches contain sugars, and sugar feeds cancer. The thought on the second is that raw meat in particular (I'm not so sure about dehydrated), contains enzymes. There is a thought that enzyme therapy is an important adjunct to fighting cancer: http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditioncancer.htm



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#39680 - 05/08/10 09:27 PM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Banshee has an appt on Friday to aspirate the growths, an exam, and while we're there already stressing her out...a thyroid check.

I'll print out all the info I've found and take with me for the vet to look over.

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#39720 - 05/08/10 11:48 PM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe]
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good luck hugging Hope they are just annoying growths.

How is she doing overall?
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#39771 - 05/09/10 11:01 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa]
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She's good. She acts happy and playful. Doesn't seem to be in any distress at all. She makes alot of funny noises while breathing when she sleeps.

There is one growth in the original mast cell spot. It's been there for years and we were told it was caused by excess skin when they sewed the spot back up but it doesn't look right to me so I want that spot, the one on her chest and the one on her face aspirated.

I think they'll have to sedate her a bit to get the aspirations done but Jen is really good with animals so a muzzle and a little muscle might get it done. smile

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#40198 - 05/11/10 01:10 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe]
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How is she doing on the "stuff" you have her on?
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#40236 - 05/11/10 10:14 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa]
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It doesn't seem to be shrinking the growths but who knows what it's doing internally so we'll keep her on it.

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#40419 - 05/11/10 10:46 PM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe]
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On another board, someone used a warm soak of green tea with some success?

If it's a more systemic mast cell disease, just arresting it might be a huge accomplishment???
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#41313 - 05/14/10 11:04 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa]
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It went very well at the Vet. He said the benadryl and tagamet is the right treatment. He agreed that at 10 1/2 years it's better for her if we try to slow it down rather than be aggressive with surgery and chemo. He did NOT do a fine needle aspirate. He said by doing that there is a high risk of 'seeding' the mast cell (if that is what it is) and the only purpose would be my peace of mind with no benefit to her. In fact, if they are mast cells, it is more detrimental to do the FNA than to do the surgery and biopsy.

He said that injecting steroids around the growth is used with large animals. He's never done it with a dog and that there is a fine line on where to do the injection as to not disturb the mast cells.

I think the one growth on her chest is shrinking. It's so hard to tell when you look at it all the time. It doesn't look so much like a hanging growth but more of a funny looking bump.

Bottom line is we still do not know if it is mast cell but we're going to treat it as such. So the course is to continue the benadryl/tagamet, change her diet. If the spots get worse or start looking angry then we'll move on to prednisone but he did NOT want to start that now because it will suppress her immune system. Also to keep close eye on her stool to make sure she isn't getting diarrhea since that can be a sign of the mast cells affecting her GI tract.

Whew~!!! To have a vet work with you and give honest answers without doing a bunch of unnecessary junk!! I"m loving it!!

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#41688 - 05/15/10 04:01 AM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe]
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My old vet didn't believe in aspirating either. In your situation, I can see it either way. It's nice to know if it's not, but if there's a good chance it's mast cell disease, and surgery isn't an option, and you're going to treat as you are, then I can see the argument. I have them FNA Indy's suspicious lumps - I have one done on my thyroid every so many years.

That would be cool if the one bump was decreasing. With Indy, after surgery, I switched her from benadryl to bioflavanoids, but I am not sure I would do that with active mast cell disease.

Tagamet, and other acid relievers, might upset the flora of the stomach. Probiotics might not be a bad idea?

I'm glad that she seems to be doing well!
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#41779 - 05/15/10 02:23 PM Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I'm switching her to RAW and she'll be getting tripe as soon as I can find some I"m satisfied with. I want grass fed or else it seems to defeat the purpose (IMO). So, would she still need the pro-biotics?

He did say to watch her stool for diarrhea as that could be a sign of the mast cell irritating her GI tract. I have slippery elm here to start using if that is happening to at least coat it.

He said to continue the 25mg benadryl twice a day and increase it as needed. We don't want to start out with 75mg every 8 hours because you will become immune to it so we want to increase it slowly.

He seemed optimistic that she could die of old age rather then the mast cell. He didn't have the attitude of "If you don't do this then..." He seemed to think our logic was sound and that was good to hear from a medical professional.

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