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#310654 - 03/11/14 11:00 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Braverhund]
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Is it possible this was a very mild mesenteric torsion?

Let's recap the evening.

-Symptoms began about an hour or so after eating

-Dog acted extremely agitated, almost terrified. Whined, paced quickly, darted about, tried to be next to me, couldn't settle

-Stomach was tight but not bloated. Dog held breath and was very still when I palpated. This indicates he was in pain/discomfort

-Took him for walk, darted about during the walk nervously

-Urinated normally, had a small, sticky bowel movement

-Immediately after bowel movement, he was unable to walk. Wasn't exactly hunched over, but wasn't standing normally. Appeared to try to move upon encouragement but could not or WOULD not move rear legs

-Flopped over while being carried

-Nose was hot

-Lots of loud noises in abdominal area

-Slowly came out of it

-Gums never paled but were brighter pink than normal

-Typical bloat symptoms of coughing, licking air, and licking carpet were NOT exhibited. Typical pacing/anxious behavior was greatly increased

-Still doesn't seem quite right


Over the long term, these are some other observations I've noted

-Has had abnormally and unusually bad gas getting worse over past few months. Most recently VERY bad to the point of modifying diet. Gas is extremely sulphuric

-He has been developing exercise intolerance. He used to be able to hard fetch for 20-30 minutes + without stopping. Now he's good for a few small throws before he lies down or wants to go inside. I can tell he WANTS to play and is still intense, he just can't do it for long

-Muscle mass appears to be decreasing

-He is noticeably more wobbly on his rear legs. He walks more like one would expect a showline German shepherd to walk, not a "normal" dog with moderate/normal rear angulation

-He is itchier without any visible skin issues (coat is excellent, skin isn't flakier than normal, odor is normal for him, no observed redness)

-He seems to be coughing more and sneezing more

I've sent the above to the vets at the specialist center for their input. I have a feeling this might not be neurological, at least not directly.
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#310657 - 03/11/14 12:05 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Looking to see if maybe he has some underlying issue, like EPI or SIBO. He's never been gastrointestinally normal.
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#310659 - 03/11/14 12:24 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Braverhund]
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Well, there is definitely something going on that is affecting his gut and also ambulation(?). The two things may or may not be related.

Kinda waiting to see the blood reports before I say anything, but, are you giving any probiotics? Which ones, if so?

Eta: I don't recall, did you used to give gas-x regularly? Are you uing any digestive enzymes?


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#310662 - 03/11/14 12:41 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa]
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No probiotics, no enzymes. He was more or less fine for years. Occasional loose stool but nothing to give me pause after we moved out of that one townhouse that caused us both major health problems. Haven't given gasx in years, either. He is fed raw prey-model. For supplements he gets Springtime Longevity, Springtime Fresh Factors, Springtime Bug Off, and Springtime Stress Free Calmplex. Also fish oil. He has been on these for at least 1.5 - 2 years with no issues, rather vast improvements.
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#310664 - 03/11/14 01:42 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Pancreatitis??? http://www.2ndchance.info/pancreatitisdog.htm His meal before the episode was about a half pound of pork butt, no skin. A few days prior, he had a large portion of pork butt with the skin and had bad diarrhea.

Maybe it's pancreatitis? The ultrasound was normal but apparently that doesn't rule it out.
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#310669 - 03/11/14 02:35 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Pancreatitis is a royal PIA. Usually the Pancreas will have some swelling or tenderness in that area when palpated. The dog can have flare or it can be chronic. It is very very painful. IMHO the more flares the more likely that it will become chronic.
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#310670 - 03/11/14 03:01 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Eagerly awaiting bloodwork results...........
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#310672 - 03/11/14 03:57 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Spoke with the vet who saw Renji, she is disinclined to think any form of intesinal bloat and, since he wasn't vomiting or presenting with true diarrhea, no pancreatitis, either. She commented that maybe it is a good time for a CT scan or MRI. I might go that route but also might wait for another acute episode. Maybe there are indeed two different things going on here.
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#310701 - 03/12/14 10:36 AM Re: Renji health issues - Prozac? [Re: Diana]
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Quick update. Renji is getting Prozac today. We have a script for six months. There is concern that the SSRI will exacerbate the anxiety and aggression problems. Does anyone have experience on about how long we should be seeing effects? The vets told me about six weeks for a positive outcome but I'm curious about others' experiences with Prozac and other SSRIs.

**I'm breaking this out into a separate topic**


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#310705 - 03/12/14 11:34 AM Re: Renji health issues - Prozac? [Re: Diana]
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The only other real update I have is that his GI noises are a lot louder than usual. This is a recent development. Still waiting on the bloodwork results, too.
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