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#310278 - 03/06/14 02:35 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Paws crossed for some conclusive answers and a positive treatment plan for your dear, zesty, sweet Renji! paw Please update when you can. I'll be sending good thoughts Renji's way for a helpful appointment!
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#310288 - 03/06/14 03:31 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Braverhund]
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So... anyone out there have their dogs in for neurological exams? I'm going to make sure we get an ultrasound to check for any potential tumors (hello spleen) and also xrays of the back, but I'd rather avoid anything serious like an MRI. Due to his behavior issues, there is a limit.

What are the typical tests for DM or Cauda? Is an MRI pretty much required at this point? What are the ballpark costs? Are there other options?
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#310301 - 03/06/14 07:00 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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No answers for your questions, but sending positive thoughts to you and Renji!!
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#310306 - 03/06/14 07:59 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Grakira]
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I am so sorry for all you are going through.

I hope they quickly find what is going on.

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#310322 - 03/06/14 11:44 PM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: PositiveDog]
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So sorry to hear that Renji is having more health problems. frown

Based on the additional info you supplied I would suspect something is going on with his back. I hope you get some answers and a good treatment plan soon!
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#310329 - 03/07/14 01:14 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: BowWowMeow]
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I'm so very sorry frown

I understand that severe stress and anxiety which is like a terror, though I don't really understand it. Jazz here has episodes.

I find neurologists have extremely limited tools - even an MRI gives very limited information in many cases. My preference would be to start with an internal medicine guy because of the gut issues, though I understand why they want the neuro, because of the seizures and movement issues.

I would want the tests that you said above. For the thyroid, you probably could get by with a free and total T4 added to the complete blood panel. Myself, because of my situation here, I would hesitate on the MRI due to cost, limited usefulness, and danger (the contrast can cause problems, and many dogs are not comfortable with MRIs, so those questions need to be asked - I think Tooz seized either after her MRI or after her spinal tap, can't remember). The neuro may also want a spinal tap. There are times when the MRI can find something though and it really is the best option, so you really want someone with good intuition that can say whether this is the thing you want to do over the other things. For example, a minor FCE (spinal embolism might cause temporary paralysis) I've seen people charged $800 for an MRI. Here it would cost me $2,500.

I know because of his behaviour stuff, this might not be an option, but I prefer an initial evaluation by a chiropractor (as well as the bloodwork), but that's me, and most people don't make that their first stop.

If they don't know what it is, they might be inclined to treat with steroids. I always go for the antibiotics first, since there are so many infectious diseases that we don't have tests for and show up in weird ways. I'm always worried if steroids are used when the cause is unknown, that there may be an underlying infection that could be made worse on the steroids. For example, lots of tick diseases that we don't have tests for.

Historically have there been any issues with his bloodwork?
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#310338 - 03/07/14 02:16 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I have no ideas but wanted to wish both you and Renji all the best hugging
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#310341 - 03/07/14 05:54 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: bianca]
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Great post, Lisa, thank you. That was very much needed. I am also hesitant on the MRI. Anything else would do, he would have to be sedated. He tries to "implode" upon himself and gets too tense for any physical work. I doubt he'd tolerate a chiropractor even though I've thought of it many times.

The good news, they have internists and other specialists there. We will see what we can do but yeah, I'm limited. Maybe he is a candidate for doggy-juana to help him chill out. :p I thought of Prozac but the last time we went with an anxiety med, he very nearly earned a final trip. We will see, maybe a shot of valium would help.

Rough night, he was having problems. Finally put a sheet down and let him in bed with us. He settled for a couple of hours. Poor guy.
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#310342 - 03/07/14 05:56 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Thank you all for the well wishes. <3

Ruth, I think it was you who recommended the Springtime products. Those are outstanding supplements and probably made all the difference in the world for Renji. I will always have them around for any other dog and also for myself!
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#310359 - 03/07/14 11:22 AM Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana]
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Good gravy he is so stressed out here. What a shame that dogs can have such demons in their heads. Even greater appreciation for those who breed and put temperament above all else in their programs.
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