Probably best if an admin could close (delete?) this thread as it clearly seems to be a source of upset with some folks.
Best if we all just find and use trainers that we are comfortable with!
I have always liked hearing from folks with a different approach myself - I may not agree or use their approach but it is interesting to hear about other approaches.
I did (finally!) realize that some approaches/methods that I first ran across with instructors at our local OB scene would and did not work with my guy!
Wasn't till we found a great trainer at our local ScH club that we really made progress with him. Then we also found an animal behaviorist/instructor (who had a totally different philosophy by the way) who also took a liking to my dog and was very effective with him as well using a really different approach.
Both worked well with him and I adopted pieces of each and we began to make some real progress in his obedience.