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#344377 - 05/15/17 03:25 PM Popular (commercial) dog food resources
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anyone use American natural premium??

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#344379 - 05/15/17 09:28 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I haven't used that one. My pups get Taste of the Wild dry with Merrick canned food. I also mix in chicken and veggies.
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#344380 - 05/16/17 01:46 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Nope. You might run it through Whole Dog Journal's list to see if they've reviewed it. (they put out an annual list of dog food).

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#344383 - 05/16/17 09:42 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Okay thank you, I have another dog food in mind, did anyone use health extensions? Right now I use fromm grain free, I like grains to for rotation, but he doesn't like any of the other fromm's. So I looked at health extensions dog food also. If anyone used this I would appreciate how you like it.

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#344387 - 05/16/17 04:23 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Since no one is answering your question directly, I'll pop in with a bunch of unrelated dog food chat... (yeah, how helpful I can be!!!)

I've been feeding Dr. Gary's Best Breed working dog diet for about 6 years now. They ship it to me. For a while I fed Drs. Foster and Smith and before IAMS sold to the bigger guys, I fed that. (that was long ago as in 15 - 20 years ago) But my first dogs, long before the fuss that we make over dog food started, I fed what was on sale at the grocery that month. Dogs lived to be 15 and 16.

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#344388 - 05/16/17 06:49 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I know my dad feed alpo and dogs lived to 17 yrs old, that was years ago though.
I think the cheap foods were better then. Now so many cheap brands have china ingredients I guess. Well I know a lot of people use pro plan and have great results. I would buy it, but I can't get pass that they use ethoyqin in their food. I guess I am picking not so popular foods. Thanks for the reply.

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#344390 - 05/16/17 09:56 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Originally Posted By: jlstudent1970
I think the cheap foods were better then.


Just like our food, lol. wink

We all tend to want to feed our animals the "best" food. But what's best for one dog may not be best for another. Good luck with your final decision!
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#344397 - 05/17/17 03:31 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: SeanRescueMom]
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Along those lines and not helping with the OPs question at all -- I was excited to find many prime foods readily available.... And they gave my two runny, frequent stools! So much for that... I do suggest being careful as in at least start with a smaller bag to see how it goes.

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#344402 - 05/17/17 05:31 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I have always been of the opinion that the best food is what the dog does best on. I have had 5 GSD's and tried many foods until I found what was the correct food for that dog. I had 4 GSD's at once and fed three different foods.
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#344851 - 07/27/17 08:20 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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HI everyone, I found another dog food and I want to know if anyone tried it, DR. Gary's best breed?

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#344852 - 07/27/17 08:22 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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by the way how did you like dr gary's best breed?

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#344853 - 07/28/17 01:34 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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My dogs seem to do well on it. I feed "Working Dog" diet. It's not cheap but the company is friendly and willing to deal directly with small orders. One thing that I find handy is the bag it comes in - zip lock nonetheless!

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#344879 - 08/02/17 07:20 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Thanks I think I am going to try it. I like that it has a good amount of calories.

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#345058 - 09/02/17 03:07 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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did anyone notice if their kibble vary's in color?

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#345060 - 09/02/17 03:46 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Usually when a known nibbles varies in color, texture, or size, that's a signal that something has changed in the processing. It might even be the contents and that doesn't have to show up on the label for months.

My experience is that some changes in color and/or smell may indicate that it's a bad bag that has been compromised.
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#345077 - 09/03/17 11:38 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I am feeding the lamb of dr gary's and I was wondering what color is your kibble?
The reason I am asking is that the first two bags of mine were dark brown, now the third bag is light brown. Also his stool was solid with the dark brown.

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#345079 - 09/04/17 06:47 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Check which formula you ordered. Working dog is a fairly dark brown kibble. If you picked up a different formula, it will probably be a different color.

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#345084 - 09/05/17 06:59 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi I buy the lamb formula and everything is okay, I spoke to the company and he said somethimes color can vary because of natural ingredients. He is very nice and I think he is an honest man. My dogs stool was soft that one day, but now it is solid even though the color is slightly lighter. I think I overfeed him that day and plus he ran a lot to. So in a nutshell color varying is not a bad thing for this brand of food.

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#345158 - 09/09/17 05:39 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Yes, there is natural variation, but always remember that it can also be a warning flag.
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#345172 - 09/12/17 03:11 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Yes I know I just remembered it happen to me with holist select, and my dog had diarrhea. So I guess it does depend on the brand.

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#345289 - 09/21/17 04:22 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I think it is a red flag, my dog did well for a month on the darker kibble. after purchasing another bag and it was lighter like I mentioned 2 weeks later diarrhea. I am looking for another food. Something is not right with this lighter color one.

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#345298 - 09/22/17 11:35 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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This is the second brand of dog food that your dog has developed diarrhea (or is it loose stools?) after eating for a few months. I'm also concerned that you are feeding lamb rather than a more standard meat. Long ago (I am ancient) I was told to reserve the specialty protein as something to go to if the dog developed issues with the standard (standards being chicken or beef).

Pup may have something more going on with his gut that causes the development of loose stools after a prolonged time on the same food.

All this aside, some dogs do better on some food than another food. Just another quick thought - how often do you clean the food and water bowls? In my house it is "seldom" but sometimes upping the cleaning and especially washing, not just rinsing out, the water bowls will take care of bowel problems.

I'm on a roll here - maybe I didn't mention this before but my eldest is a picky eater. She's offered food twice a day but prefers to eat late in the evening. She will often get both meals then and sometimes ask for more. If she eats too much more, she will have loose stools the following day.

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#345301 - 09/22/17 11:58 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Since middle covered a lot of things I was thinking here is another one. What food was the breeder feeding. I like to start with the same food they were getting at the breeder and work from there.

A big problem I see with owners of dogs with maybe a sensitive system is too many changes and moving too fast from one food to another. I had a female that had some food issues for a while, I decided to go with feeding her Homemade Beef and Rice until I knew her system was calmed down. Then I selected a food that was Beef and Rice based, I slowly added the kibble to the beef and rice and over time decreased the Beef and Rice. Until she passed away at 14+ years old that was the only time she had digestive problems. You need to go slowly with switching foods with some dogs.
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#345315 - 09/23/17 02:08 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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HI middle, thanks for your response. I do wash water bowls.
and before he ate dr gary's he was one fromm but stools
were big and soft. as far as transitioning I did it very slowly. Over a course of a month. And everything was going good up until now. That's why I am confused. When I got him the breeder had him on purina pro plan I kept him on it until he was 1.5 old. I switched to wellness and he did fine but refused to eat it after a while then I put him on fromm. each time the transition went well. I hope I did not cause this from switching too much, I am very upset and worried. I don't have kids so he is my boy he is 3.5 yrs old.

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#345332 - 09/24/17 07:31 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Usually when a known nibbles varies in color, texture, or size, that's a signal that something has changed in the processing. It might even be the contents and that doesn't have to show up on the label for months.

My experience is that some changes in color and/or smell may indicate that it's a bad bag that has been compromised.


Hi Lisa, I think you are right with this something is wrong with this new bag. I thought I was okay, buy 2 weeks into this new bag he has diarrhea. He is on bland diet for 3 days and is doing better. Should I give it back to him to see if diarrhea starts again to be sure or should I move on to something else?

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#345349 - 09/25/17 12:57 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I would see if I could take the bag back and get a different batch. IMO, this happens with many foods, I had it happen with an expensive script food once. Whether you change away from the food is more complicated, since finding a food your dog does well on may be tricky, depending on the dog.
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#345354 - 09/25/17 02:57 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thank you Lisa, I just did order another bag so it should be here tomorrow, and I will see if it looks what the dog is used to. I also called the company again and no one called back yet. The last time I spoke to him he said to me "no one looks at kibble like you do" I told him when something looks very different you can't help but to notice it.
I also told him if you eat (just say) cheerios and you noticed it was very different in color would you eat it? he did say no I probably wouldn't.

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#346163 - 12/02/17 05:56 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Hi everyone. How is everybody doing? I have been busy so I haven't been on here. I wanted to ask I am feeding Vonn pro plan, I don't really like it but after his stomach episode his stools on this food is okay however, he has a lot of gas and he is shedding more than normal. I hate to change his food b/c I am afraid, but then again maybe I need to?? If so I was looking at Merrick classic dry. What do you guys think? The reason for the Merrick classic it's not really high in protein. If I go with grain free its way to high for him.


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#346190 - 12/03/17 10:52 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Shedding is the season. Great gobs everywhere.

Talk to your vet about something like gasx for the gas. One thing to consider is a farting animal is good in that their intestines are working. Gas that isn't passed is bad.

Why is high protein bad for him?

I guess I'm bothered by the frequent changes of dog food. You have the stools under control right now.

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#346192 - 12/04/17 07:24 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Every time I tried high protein he gets very loose stools. I agree, I hate to change foods b/c I don't know what is going to happen. I guess I was stupid before b/c I was reading how others rotate foods and claim it is good do to. However, I also read it is not good to do,that's the old school method. I suppose the old school is the best school.


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#346195 - 12/04/17 08:39 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I'm old. So here's what I've heard/been told - rotating foods removes the go-tos if they develop a sensitivity to a source - whether protein or grain. - rotating can mess with their gut & lead to bloat (my experience validates the last). Feeding dogs has gone the way of training dogs -- as the only thing two trainers agree on is that the third trainer is doing it wrong.

Talk to your vet about gas. Look at what's in the feed that gives him gas vs the feeds that = loose stools -- That might provide an insight as to what to avoid in a food. BTW I was excited when I moved to Arkansas because there were all these options of high quality kibble to feed. And the fancy feed = pudding output. So I quit feeding that.

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#346198 - 12/05/17 08:34 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Thank you for the info. Your explanation sounds very true. These people that rotate think its better, but I see now that it is not better. Pardon me in my last post I wasn't calling you old, I was just explaining how the old school is better. That's just a saying my mom always uses. At the time I was believing everyone else with rotating and I am sorry I listened. You have a very good point with the gas, using different foods disturbs the flora in the gut and then you get gas. If this pro plan works I am not changing it, if not I will ask the vet and if we find something good I will stick with it. Again thank you.

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#346199 - 12/05/17 08:51 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Middle, I forgot to mention, since we are talking about gas can be from changing foods; could it be that the gas is not from the pro plan, and he just needs to adjust to it? He's only been eating it for 2 months. Just a thought.

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#346203 - 12/05/17 09:27 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I'd think a week would be an adequate time for adjustment. Two months, plenty of time.

I am old. You didn't call me old. I just acknowledged it. wink

I don't know the science behind rotating/not rotating food. But given you have had a hard time finding one that works, I would hesitate to rotate. I think some people on this board had the name of a nutritionist that they used and liked. Maybe they will weigh in.

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#346206 - 12/06/17 01:47 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi Middle, I just bought nature's Variety can LID lamb last night, I gave him that with only a little pro plan dry. Today his stool was solid from the can food. His stool is soft on purina pro plan and light. So should I just give him the can food since it is agreeing with him? I don't think the dry pro plan is for him. I want to use dry food, but I am afraid to try any right now.

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#346222 - 12/06/17 10:03 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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My concern remains with your never ending switch of food. I understand you are trying to find the best but it seems like nothing feels right to you. Maybe you are right. I wouldn't worry about whether the food was wet, dry, canned, fresh so long as he does well on it.
I cannot tell you what you "should" do and if I did you wouldn't do it. I'm going to guess that in a bit you are going to get fussy about the canned for some reason and switch again.

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#346246 - 12/08/17 09:08 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Middle, you know me quite well, It does seem I am too picky with food. I guess since I had a bad experience with my other GSD. Years ago when I had Max I never switched his food. He ate one type of dry all of his life, until one day the company changed formulas and I was not to smart then about food. Well anyway he got really sick, so I went to the store and bought another brand, he loved it good stool and that was that, until it got recalled and here I go again and then finally my 13 year old dog got skinny from not eating and I cooked for him. So I was NEVER picky before and now I can't help that I know to much. Not sure if knowing to much can hurt me.

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#346278 - 12/09/17 03:21 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Hi Middle, I enjoy talking to you, and sorry if sometimes I don't take advice. However I am trying b/c I know people like yourself and others are really trying to be helpful and also you and everyone here are very knowledgeable. I am glad I joined this forum. By the way do you have any snow where you live right now? I do and I am not that happy. I used to love snow.


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#346279 - 12/09/17 05:00 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I bought a food for my new dog and after one feeding I knew this wasn't going to work for her. So I went with a beef and oatmeal diet. I picked another food and am starting to slowly to add that to the beef/oatmeal mixture. Right now I know her system isn't ready for a full kibble diet, so slow and steady wins the race.

I picked Infinia Venison and Potato as her new food.
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#346284 - 12/09/17 09:09 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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No snow at the moment. 20 degrees out. We had snow last year from November or at least early December through March - on the ground with 30 + inches accumulation. I'm happy not to see it.

Pay attention to Val. She knows more about feed than I do.

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#346286 - 12/10/17 09:07 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Hi Val, I am giving pro plan. So far his stool is soft and sometimes firm.

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#346287 - 12/10/17 04:10 PM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: jlstudent1970]
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The only thing I can suggest is to really pay attention to amount you are feeding, activity before and after feeding and see if there is any pattern.
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#346297 - 12/11/17 10:34 AM Re: Popular (commercial) dog food resources [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Okay, thank you. I did noticed that after exercising a lot it is soft, and I feed him 4 hours before he was running and playing.

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12/12/17 07:47 PM
Comments for December 2017 Photo Contest
by Wisc.Tiger_Val
12/12/17 07:37 PM
More snow
by Sylv
12/12/17 02:07 PM
Excavation
by Woodreb
12/10/17 07:40 PM
First CT Snow
by Woodreb
12/10/17 05:26 PM
Snow dogs.... In North Georgia
by SouthernThistle
12/08/17 01:52 PM
Activated Charcoal for Chronic Pancreatitis?
by Kamahi
12/08/17 01:19 AM
My Dear Shoshi
by Shilohsmom
12/06/17 06:17 PM
Help Support the Forum
New Topics - Other Animals & Chat
Happy Hanukkah to our Jewish members!
by Braverhund
12/12/17 09:51 PM
"I CAN:T Believe it happened again"
by Shilohsmom
12/01/17 10:33 PM
Holiday cards
by Shilohsmom
12/01/17 10:20 PM
Holidays in December
by Shilohsmom
11/27/17 11:07 PM
Thanksgiving Plans anyone?
by Shilohsmom
11/18/17 09:51 PM
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