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#344681 - 07/10/17 12:17 PM New AKC Obedience Regs?
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Just heard about some changes coming for Novice and Open group exercises. Guess there has been some problems with dogs in these exercises so AKC convened a big meeting to come up with changes so strange dogs won't have to be left off leash only 4' from each other.

Anyone familiar with this issue? I saw just one reference to it on a Facebook page a day or so ago.

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#344682 - 07/10/17 04:34 PM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: Codmaster]
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I have heard about possible changes, but nothing official. Funny, this was rarely a problem back in the day when corrections were used to proof exercises. I never liked the out of site sits/downs but never worried about doing the 1 minute sit/down in novice.
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#344683 - 07/11/17 03:44 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: lhczth]
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Found the notice -- not details but a good official explanation:

http://www.akc.org/events/obedience/news-updates/

Interesting comment about different approaches to training, I thought. But not a word from me about that - too much flak!

Anyway take a peek you OB trainers/showers and see what you think.

Supposed to be a short time till new regs are in the trials.

Think AKC thought too many people (esp those with smaller dogs!) were afraid for their dogs safety in the sits and stays! I never was but didn't want my dog to get in a fight either with some under trained dog!

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#344684 - 07/11/17 03:45 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: Codmaster]
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I think out of sight stays were really impressive (when the dogs cooperated!).

Shows some training and also some self confidence of the dogs!

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#344690 - 07/11/17 06:09 PM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: Codmaster]
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When you show a big breed and a breed that people are often afraid of, especially if you also do SchH or IPO, worrying that another dog will attack your dog is always a problem. The big mean IPO GSD would be the one blamed even if it was the poorly trained fluffy the brat that started it and attacked the big mean IPO GSD first. I never worried until training methods changed and had some issues at matches.
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#344691 - 07/11/17 06:11 PM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: lhczth]
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Actually, removing the sits/downs would be a great way to speed things up. They are such a waste of time.
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#344692 - 07/12/17 12:53 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: lhczth]
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Originally Posted By: lhczth
When you show a big breed and a breed that people are often afraid of, especially if you also do SchH or IPO, worrying that another dog will attack your dog is always a problem. The big mean IPO GSD would be the one blamed even if it was the poorly trained fluffy the brat that started it and attacked the big mean IPO GSD first. I never worried until training methods changed and had some issues at matches.


Ain't that the truth! Training methods have certainly changed for a lot of folks! And the excuses seem to have gotten bigger!

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#344693 - 07/12/17 12:57 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: lhczth]
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Originally Posted By: lhczth
Actually, removing the sits/downs would be a great way to speed things up. They are such a waste of time.


I always thought that the group exercises were well worth it. Took a lot of time and effort to train the dog reliably in many cases but a truly useful exercise, esp. the Open ones out of sight. But I do have to admit that there were a couple times I really wondered if some of the other dogs were going to be a problem, but never had any aggression shown toward my dog in the ring. guess we were lucky as it did happen a couple times in training classes.

But the changes are a'coming no doubt.

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#344694 - 07/12/17 07:52 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: Codmaster]
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And in all honesty in real life I doubt I would leave my dog out of site on a stay.
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#344695 - 07/12/17 08:44 AM Re: New AKC Obedience Regs? [Re: Kayos]
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I think they served a purpose more when they were developed than now. I never had a problem with them until dogs started breaking and romping around the ring or bothering other dogs. I saw dogs break, stand up, lie down, slowly walk to mom/dad stuff, but that didn't bother me like the other. Now, there are other ways to tests the dogs ability to stay under distraction like the honoring in UKC/IPO.
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