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#345071 - 09/03/17 03:37 PM color vary in dog kibble
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Hi I am transitioning to dr gary's lamb and everything was going good until the 3rd bag it was lighter in color than the other 2 bags. Now the dog has soft stools. I am going to contact the company when they open I am sooo mad. please let me know if this is normal?

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#345072 - 09/03/17 03:50 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I forgot to mention that I spoke with a manager in ohio pet store that sells dr gary's and he said since its all natural they may have added more of one ingredient b/c if they can't get a good enough lamb they may use more whitefish. the formula is lamb and whitefish by the way. I ask him I didn't know they can do that without labeling. He said they can on occasion.

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#345080 - 09/04/17 06:49 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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You can call the number on the bag and talk to the manufacturer directly. They've always been great to deal with (I order direct from them - shipping's not cheap but it comes to my door.)

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#345083 - 09/05/17 06:50 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I called dr garys and spoke with Levi, very nice man, he said his food is all natural and it can vary in color and that's not a bad thing. they don't use coloring or anything of the kind. They don't change their product and he said sometimes ingredients can vary in color which is understandable. He seems like a very honest man. Also, I feed the food and the stool is fine so I am glad, I must of overfeed him the other day and that's why his stool was soft that day. I think Dr. Gary's is a good brand dog food. Oh, and the pet stores in Ohio said that the police dogs there eat their food and many people there buy it. so I felt good about that. Disregard what I said about the person who said they use more of this and they don't change the label that is not true. I ask that question as well and the company would not do that. Thank you for your reply.

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#345288 - 09/21/17 04:18 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I am changing my mind about dr gary's. here is the deal: for a month he did very well on those bags that were dark color. Now the other bag is lighter and stool first got soft then firm. He was eating this light color for 2 weeks, now diarrhea. I did the bland diet for 2 days all was well, I gave him 1/2 cup of dr gary's now diarrhea is back today??? I feed the lamb I think something is not right with it. Now back to bland diet and finding another food.


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#345308 - 09/22/17 05:50 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Hi everyone I am very upset my dog is sick, diarrhea for 4 days the vet gave me metro. I held out b/c I didn't want to use meds if I didn't have to but I gave it to him. The vet seems to think its bacteria. so I am feeding bland diet for now, can anyone suggest a good food you guys been using with good results. I would appreciate it. thank you.
Anymore I hate dog food!! I would put him on a homemade diet, but how much do I need to feed and does he need vitamins with it? I do make homemade biscuits for him, because I don't like store biscuits at all.

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#345312 - 09/22/17 08:35 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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You might want to give him some pumpkin, that might help with the loose stools. Other than that, I would change the food to another brand. It seems he's just not reacting well to the food he's on. Good luck, I really hope he's back to normal soon.

I use Taste of the Wild and Merrick and have good results with both.


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#345314 - 09/23/17 01:51 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Shilohsmom]
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thank you very much for replying back. I was thinking of merrick maybe I will try it once he gets better.

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#345316 - 09/23/17 02:19 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Hey, this is new info -- the vet thinks he has a bacterial infection... Get it cleared with the bland diet and meds. If I were you, I would then go back to Dr. Gary's ----- But here's another thought - breeder was feeding pro-plan; not overall the best. I get that.
When I moved to Arkansas from Wyoming I was excited to be able to choose a higher quality kibble for the Barker Sisters the first. They loved it. It gave them runny stools........ (so much for my excitement...) Consider then, that Your guy may do better on a lower quality dog food...

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#345318 - 09/23/17 09:03 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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You think I should give pro plan a shot now? Maybe other foods are too rich? I do know that high protein kibble gives him loose stools so I try to stay 22-25% the dr garys is 26% not to bad. But ya what Middle, I still say those other bags of dr gary's that were dark brown he had no trouble with for a month. Then the other bag like I mentioned was very much lighter (same flavor) and during the 2 weeks he ate the lighter color one, loose stools on and off now diarrhea. I still am skeptical about that.

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#345330 - 09/24/17 02:27 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Well the reference to the breeder was before I checked the threads and realized this is not a pup. With that, I can retract my questioning of your switching foods, too. I was thinking 1 yo or so. It's really hard to say because what works for my dogs might not work for your dog. I've been with Dr. G's Best Breed for something like 7 years and three dogs. (2 current) You might want to get the batch number off the bag that's giving your dog grief and call Levi again. Let him know you had a problem with another food, too.

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#345336 - 09/24/17 01:26 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I called a pet store in ohio, and the mngr. was very nice and talked to me for awhile he new the food well and sells the whole line. he grapped samples and checked each one and told me that the lamb formula should be dark. all of the other samples included the one u use is dark except for the salmon and rice and the chicken and rice. the chicken and salmon sounds like the color I have, he explained a coffee color and that's what I see. now I am wondering if the wrong formula got into the wrong bag?? probably not just a thought. He told me I am probably right about the food not being correct from what I told him. I have to Levi again only b/c if I can get the correct bag I would like to use it b/c I seen great results I hate to change it if I don't have to. What a mess!!!!!

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#345338 - 09/24/17 02:32 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I hope that's the case. Salmon might be pretty rich. Although I didn't have the problem you did, with fish based food, my dogs stunk like fish!

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#345343 - 09/24/17 08:20 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi Middle My dog's name is Vonn, and I feed him homemade diet Friday, Saturday, most of today. He did not poop yet, so I guess he is getting better. I know I should of waited for a solid stool before giving dry, but I gave him 1/4 cup of that dry food tonight. I think if he was still sick he would of had diarrhea already, so if this food is causing it I guess i will know. I hated to try it again however, it is still unclear if it caused it. My gut says it did. we shall see. Do you think I am doing the right thing?

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#345352 - 09/25/17 02:53 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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In another thread, it was suggested you return that bag for another one (same brand, same forumla). You might try that. Especially if the diarrhea returns..

It sounds like you are on a good track. Time will tell....

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#345356 - 09/25/17 04:42 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi Middle, I am all over the place LOL b/c I am new at this but I am gonna get another bag. thank you.

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#345364 - 09/26/17 01:44 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I am so glad I found this forum everyone is so helpful. I wanted to add that the 2 weeks he ate this (lighter color) bag which he ate about 10lbs of it there was no issues, then onset diarrhea. this is why I am so confused. how can he eat it for 2 weeks with solid stools then bam diarrhea? I don't think I specified that in the other post.

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#345365 - 09/26/17 08:25 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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update I gave him some of the dry food last night with meat and rice to see what is what and today soft stool (brown color) but little orangey at the end and soft? help!

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#345366 - 09/26/17 12:51 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Return that bag of dog food. Go back to meat and rice. Then try introducing the new bag of same formula - be sure it is from a different batch. AND just a little bit at a time. Maybe a handful or even start with 1/2 a handful.

So 2 weeks ok, then not ok on the food. Vet thought he had a bacterial infection in his gut, cleared up on rice and meat, returned with reintro of dry food. Maybe gut not clear enough, maybe something in this bag has caused the issue and the sensitivity developed over the first 10 pounds consumed and surfaced then on, what?, pound 11 let's say. He is now sensitive to whatever is in that bag of food or maybe it's the bug not clear enough and any dry food would = soft stool (at least not explosive d. - or not yet anyway.) That's speculation.

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#345383 - 09/27/17 07:32 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi Middle, your right the vet called and he said when a dogs stomach is upset any dry food can make it worse. now the update so far, the vet said he has been getting an unusual amount of calls with dogs with diarrhea in my area. He said he thinks something is going around. Now Vonn seems better so I gave him back the food gradually and so far other than a soft stool yesterday, now he did not go yet so I think were okay. The vet said soft stool indicates he is getting better because it is not diarrhea. In this case it is probably not the food, keeping fingers crossed. And I did get another bag of food different lot# and date just incase. I will keep you posted. Thank you for taking the time to get back to me.

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#345386 - 09/27/17 09:43 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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It sounds like good news. And you're welcome. I know what it is to worry about one of the dogs.

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#345389 - 09/28/17 06:43 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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okay, he did go at 9pm last night and the first stool was more solid and the end was really soft. So food wise the night before he ate meat and rice and 1/2 cup of dry. and the next day (that's when he went at 9pm) he ate the same except for more dry about another 1/2 cup.


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#345391 - 09/28/17 09:49 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I forgot to mention when I gave him back the dry I used the one in question (lighter color one) just to make sure it is not the food. today I opened up the other bag and it is darker and the kibble is smaller, that is what I used before. So today I will use that one.

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#345393 - 09/28/17 03:37 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Hey, Middle guess what I did, I put some of the lighter color kibble in one bag and the dark one in another bag, then I took it to a friend of mine and ask him to smell both and see what he thought. I did it to another friend and ask the same question. Both of them said it is definitely different in color and they both said the lighter color smelled stronger. The third is my dog, which turned his nose up at it and ate the dark one. What do you think about this?

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#345403 - 09/28/17 11:44 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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What's the expiration date on the bag? Did it by chance expire? Its also possible to get a bad bag of dog food, food that's gone bad. It happened to me once. Two of my three dogs ended up at the vets getting fluids amoungst other things. I was able to home treat my third dog. But as it turned out the food was bad. In my case the expiration date was in the future. But who's to say what happens to a bag of food once it leaves the manufacture and before it gets to you. Its just a thought.
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#345408 - 09/29/17 03:55 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Shilohsmom]
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I think your dog likes the darker kibble better. (That's obvious I suppose but I am tired.)

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#345409 - 09/29/17 07:19 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Thank you for replying, and the expiration date is good. I am sorry for driving everyone crazy, but I am trying to figure this out. What is driving me nuts is it's either the food or something else. But the only thing I know for sure is that something is different with this food. Well anyway I started feeding him the dark color kibble which I just bought a new bag of. My concern is that if he does even better how will I know if the bags are gonna be consistent and I may end up back to were I started.

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#345432 - 09/29/17 09:21 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Don't feel bad about asking questions. Clearly this is an issue we want to resolve. I'm not familiar with this brand but if you keep finding inconsistencies in the food I would suggest trying another brand.
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#345433 - 09/29/17 09:54 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Shilohsmom]
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HI Rose, I bought 3 small bags of this brand and two of them are the color I am used to and the other is the light color again, obviously this brand is not consistence as you mentioned so I am going to find another brand like you suggested. So I for now I am feeding the one that is the color I am used to and the dog is fine. So it turns out it was the food.
I am glad to have found at least 2 bags I can work with to do a transition.
Thank you
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#345445 - 09/30/17 05:06 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Yeah, sounds like you either keep getting food from the same "off" batch, or that food is having a manufacturing problem.

Good luck finding a new food. You might also want to give some probiotics, like the mercola pet products, just as a bit of a tune-up to hopefully help ward off future problems.
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#345446 - 09/30/17 05:33 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thanks everyone! Lisa, I think it is a manufacture problem too. The nerve racking thing is finding another food and hoping it works. The one I am thinking about is holistic select lamb and rice and it has a lot of pre and probiotics in it. It states that it is for digestive health.
If anyone is familiar with this food I would like to hear your input. Or if anyone has something that works well I would like to know,
thanks.


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#345447 - 09/30/17 05:45 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I know little about the current dog foods since I try to stay away from processed food - went with a smaller dog for one reason so it would be easier to feed homeprepared. I do feed some processed food, but it's typically freeze-dried, dehyrated, or frozen, which is usually too expensive for a larger dog, and sometimes not satisfying enough.

A hint if you are asking about a certain food is to provide a link to the full ingredients which makes it easier for others to maybe look and provide input.
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#345450 - 10/01/17 08:53 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: middleofnowhere]
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Hi Middle, yeah that is obvious, but most important it is different!!! Since this food is not consistent, I am getting another brand. Thanks again for replying.


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#345451 - 10/01/17 09:01 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Hi Lisa, I agree if my dog was small I would be doing what you are doing. Here is the ingredient's to the other dog food, I know it might look grainy, but I am trying to stick with something similar since I have to switch faster.

Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Oatmeal, Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Carrots, Pumpkin, Cranberries, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Potassium Chloride, Apples, Peas, Organic Quinoa, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Beta-Carotene, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid], Minerals [Zinc Polysaccharide Complex, Iron Polysaccharide Complex, Copper Polysaccharide Complex, Manganese Polysaccharide Complex, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carbonate, Potassium Iodide], Papaya, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Blueberries, Pomegranate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Inulin, Mixed Tocopherols added to preserve freshness, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Ground Cinnamon, Ground Fennel, Ground Peppermint, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Lecithin, Choline Chloride, Rosemary Extract, Green Tea Extract.
This is a naturally preserved product.
Oh and I know a lot of people don't like beet pulp for fiber, but it works for my dog.


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#345457 - 10/01/17 04:20 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Lisa, now the dog has mucus and very loose stools. I don't understand this morning at 6am the stool was firm and brown at 4pm it is super loose with mucus please help!!

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#345459 - 10/01/17 07:06 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Are you still feeding the Beef and Rice or are you feeding Kibble. I am having a bit of a hard time trying to follow this problem your dog is having? Also didn't you post recently that your dog went to the Vet??
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#345460 - 10/01/17 07:39 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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It started about 2 1/2 weeks ago with diarrhea, the vet gave me metro for 3-5days. here's what happened, I started dr Gary's august 8th slowly transitioning him. everything went well for a month on the food, so then I bought another bag and it was a different color and different size, I feed it anyway, but my gut said not to, then the first day of feeding it his stool was soft so I continued and it went firm again, but 2 weeks after feeding that bag it went to diarrhea. then the vet put him on metro, but it did not firm his stools. I gave him beef and rice for 2 days and he seemed better, I introduce the food (but new bag) and 2 days he was fine however today diarrhea again. I am calling the vet tomorrow, but in the meantime I am back to feeding bland diet. I am stressing out badly, because his stomach is so messed up that I can't try new food yet, unless maybe new food may help I don't know. He is hungry after he eats bland diet and I feel bad b/c he likes his kibble. I am not sure if I am feeding enough.

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#345461 - 10/01/17 08:09 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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OK, as a person who has IBSD it takes a while for the gut to settle down after it has had problems. I had a female GSD who at one time had digestive issues, I fed Beef and Rice for over a month, not ideal but I wanted to make sure what ever caused her problems had cleared her system and then I slowly introduced a new kibble to her by adding a small about to her beef and rice, changing the amount every 3 days or so until she was on all kibble.

You need to do a comparison of the Foods you have fed to see if there is any ingredient that is common in all of the foods.

Another one of my females was always a picky eater, she would eat a food for a while and then stop eating. So I did the beef and rice and all was good. So with my comparisons of her foods I had an idea that she had a chicken intolerance. So I tested her with a 1 inch chunk of roasted chicken breast and Bang she had explosive diarrhea. It was difficult finding a food that didn't have chicken some where in the ingredients but I did and no more picky eater.

Having a dog that has developed digestive issues isn't fun. Have the Vet run a Fecal sample and see if there are any bugs showing in the system.

If not you need to start back with the beef and rice, I would also get a good Probiotic for your dog.

As far as amount, how much does you dog weigh and how much are you feeding?
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#345465 - 10/01/17 09:12 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Thanks you very much, he is about 85lbs and I feed about 1lb of ground meat along with 1 cup of rice. What kind of probiotic should I buy (name brand)?


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#345467 - 10/02/17 09:14 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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You mixture is way to meat heavy. 1 cup of cooked and drained ground beef and about 3 cups of over cooked rice mixed together. I would probably start at 1 1/4 two times a day. Cheyenne was a big female and at her younger weight weighed just about what your male is. Any thing more than 4 cups a day she would get chunky.

I haven't purchased probiotics for a while and would have to do a search.
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#345468 - 10/02/17 09:32 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Thank you for your reply, I will do that. I am glad I ask so now I will mix what you said.

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#345469 - 10/02/17 10:20 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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Again thank you very much, wow my mixture was way off. So as I mentioned in the last post I am going to do what you said. I waned to know, after a few days of this beef and rice mix and I see an improvement, can I do the same ratio, with pasta?
example: 1 cup cook beef drained and 3 cups pasta?? Just curious.

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#345470 - 10/02/17 10:53 AM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I have never done pasta but I have done Oatmeal. You just have to give it a try and see what happens.
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#345471 - 10/02/17 01:33 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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okay thank you!!

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#345477 - 10/03/17 07:03 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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I got a new thing now, he is biting his paws like crazy, which he never really did before. I know it is a allergy, and I am wondering if it is beef? Only b/c I been feeding beef and rice with this bland diet, however I usually rotate proteins with him. I have not rotated lately b/c of trying to get his stomach to settle. But you think I should give him chicken and rice and rotate it anyway?

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#345478 - 10/03/17 08:06 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: jlstudent1970]
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If you think the biting of the paws is allergy related to Beef, then change beef to chicken. I don't rotate proteins, I always had good success with staying with one protein. There are different schools of thoughts to rotating proteins.
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#345479 - 10/03/17 08:27 PM Re: color vary in dog kibble [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val]
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This is true I don't know myself, my other GSD always ate chicken all his life and never had a problem. I guess every dog is different.

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