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#345095 - 09/06/17 12:53 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Karin]
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Thanks for your reply, Rosa. Heidi's teeth were checked and cleaned a while back. Her lips are pretty floppy these days so who knows, maybe they are sore too! It's tough to get old! And yes, this weird, horribly hot weather is no doubt making things worse for her. We recently got a wall A/C in the living room, and that's where we're spending our time, with the A/C running all day. I'm going to hate to see our next PG&E bill!! Thank you for the kind words and good thoughts.
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#345096 - 09/06/17 12:56 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Karin]
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Here's another video of the tremors she was having last week. This is also a new thing and another thing I don't think is "behavioral" because it's a rhythmic shaking. She'll shake and then stop, and shake and stop, etc. It's different from the constant shivering/shaking she does when she's really scared.

https://youtu.be/qWxsQS9t-CU

By the way, her liver values (ALT) were on the high side in her blood panel. Is milk thistle a good supplement for this sort of thing? Does anyone have a good brand they recommend? Thanks!
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#345099 - 09/06/17 09:39 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Karin]
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I tried to watch the video but got a message that it is private and I have to sign in. Do you have any idea why this may have happened?
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#345100 - 09/06/17 09:47 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: SeanRescueMom]
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I'm getting the same private message when I try to see the video.
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#345102 - 09/06/17 10:53 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Shilohsmom]
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This is the first time I've posted anything to YouTube. I must have done it right by dumb luck the first time! I think I fixed it:

https://youtu.be/OYPYCXIFcKU
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#345115 - 09/06/17 09:29 PM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Karin]
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It's working now! I can see the shaking but because her head is down it's difficult to see if there's any change in her facial expression.
Can you tell if her expression is different than when she was putting her nose up in the air doing the head tilts?
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#345117 - 09/06/17 09:35 PM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: SeanRescueMom]
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I can see it now too. Not sure what could be going on but wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you and Heidi and hoping for only good news.
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#345125 - 09/07/17 08:35 AM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Thinking about you two, as well. (Heidi, that's a very pretty collar).

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#345143 - 09/08/17 05:37 PM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Mary Jane]
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Thanks for your replies, everyone! As far as facial expression goes, it's the same as her usual expression. She usually has her mouth open and is panting a bit. She hasn't done the nose tilts for at least a week, thank goodness!

Also, I've read that sometimes rosemary can cause seizures in dogs. I think there is something to that because I noticed that the nose tilting seemed to happen more often when we were giving her rosemary and turmeric treats. One thing I've discovered is that it is VERY hard to find any kind of dog food or treat that doesn't contain rosemary oil, rosemary extract or rosemary leaves. They say that the oil and extract is more potent and more likely to cause problems. And when you see "mixed topherols" or "natural flavorings," chances are that rosemary is in the food. It's considered a "natural preservative," which seems to be popular right now. In any case, I've been doing my best to avoid rosemary completely and I actually think it has helped.
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#345154 - 09/09/17 05:24 PM Re: Seizures in a senior dog? [Re: Karin]
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Do you have copies of all the recent bloodwork (aside from thyroid)?

I would NEVER trust a neuro that said seizures are not linked to a low thyroid. Who is training these people???? Finding good "professional" help is so hard these days, for dogs and people. I have been disappointed by all of the neuros I have consulted with for dogs and humans.

You can Google and find info on that. There are all sorts of neuro issues that can come from hypothyroidism, including seizures. Now, it may be true that you won't see them in severe form with low normal values, but that doesn't mean that having optimal thyroid function won't help treat any neuro disease.

With jazz's seizures the vet ruled out tick disease, later I had them rule out myasthenia gravis though no one really thought she had it. I put her on the most pure homeprepared diet that I could, and we still treated with doxy for other things. I put her on neuro supportive supplements. Jazz does have a history of two types of clostridium infections, as well as topical staph. Flagyl of all things helps with the tremors, as does doxy, but there is now (oops, meant was NO) evidence of infection when these were started (long story).

There are some random studies that point to gut infections like H pylori triggering or making parkinson's worse, as well as some clostridium strains maybe implicated in MS. Based on those studies, and experience here, for any dog I have, or human even, I am going to look for gut infection in any neuro disease (after testing for TBD), and if I don't find any still treat and note response. This is something neither allopathic nor holistic vets/doctors would endorse outright, though the reason we did some treatment was due to consultation with our internal medicine specialist since jazz has IBD and also neuro issues. Anxiety is the tip of iceburg wink


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