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#80248 - 09/03/10 11:56 AM Re: Bloat [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I've always wondered why Gas-x gives Max loose stools - good to know!
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#80254 - 09/03/10 12:03 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I guess I've been lucky so far - all 3 of mine have been getting gas x daily since Kaspar bloated and no loose stools.
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#172153 - 08/08/11 10:34 AM Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links
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Could we maybe add a heading on First Aid instructions to the stickie on bloat?

My question is prompted by Recon's bloat emergency. And Amanda's helpful use of GAS-X as First Aid. I looked up links for bloat First Aid but I could not find a first aid guide to using GAS-X in a bloat emergency.

These are First Aid links I found:
http://www.freewebs.com/dmroster/bloat.html
http://www.kifka.com/Elektrik/BloatFirstAid.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloat#First_Aid

1) GAS-X:

Questions:

a) Which form of Gas-X? Chewies? Pills? Liquid drops?
GAS-X is always recommended as First Aid but I don't know which form of GAS-X is best in a bloat emergency: Pills, chewies, kids' drops? If a bloating dog is drooling and gagging, are drops best? Or pop a pill in back of mouth and make him swallow?

http://www.gas-x.com/products.shtml

b) Dosage?
http://www.walkervalleyvet.com/otc-meds.htm


http://www.petresearch.net/content/safe-human-medicines-dogs-and-cats


2) Pepcid?

3) Stomach Tube (e-vet is >20 minutes away)

a) Detailed instructions:
http://www.kifka.com/Elektrik/BloatFirstAid.htm

b) Warning against:
http://www.pets1st.com/articles/00043bloatindogs.asp


Recently I took a two hour course on dog and cat First Aid at an veterinary emergency clinic. I learned a lot and I highly recommend that. I didn't think of asking these questions about bloat then though. The course covered topics such as where and how to take a pulse, normal pulse and heartbeat, elevated temperature, car accidents and shock, etc. It is so important to know what our dogs' normal pulse, heartbeat, temperature is. So we can quickly assess the basics of an emergency and provide that info to an e-vet.

Hope we never have to use it.
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#172167 - 08/08/11 12:09 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: shepnterrier]
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Excellent questions, thumbup and well-thought-out, Sarah! I'm also wondering about activated charcoal for bloat. Ruth uses it, I think? I've got a bottle in the cupboard. How much, when and how to use for a dog? thinking

Thanks to Sarah for starting this thread! thanks
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#172181 - 08/08/11 01:18 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Braverhund]
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I have Gas X pills. When Chama bloated I alternated Gas-X with activated charcoal. I also kept Chama moving per the instructions of my vet. He also said to There are several homeopathic remedies that are also useful for bloat: Nux Vomica and Carbo Vegetalis are two that come to mind. If there isn't torsion then these things will help resolve the problem. Obviously you always need to go to the vet to have them assess the severity of the situation!

The activated charcoal is also crucial for absorbing toxins as well as gas. For example, Chama often got into dead things at the cottage or in the woods and one time got very, very sick. I put her on a broth diet and then slowly reintroduced home cooked food and gave her a ton of charcoal to help get the bad stuff out of her system. It took a while but she made a full recovery.

We could also do one for diarrhea. I know of a lot of remedies that work for diarrhea.
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#172294 - 08/09/11 12:13 AM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: BowWowMeow]
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Ruth, not a bad idea to have a thread of great diarrhea remedies...can always use those smile

Sarah, I didn't include the stuff about the bloat tube, because I just wasn't comfortable adding that, with what might seem like an endorsement. I did put the Gas-x stuff at the top of the bloat sticky in the Index. That sticky can be modified if folks thing there should be something added.
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#172343 - 08/09/11 01:47 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thanks for posting this, I've also been curious about the best type of Gas-X to give. When I was suspecting Heidi of bloating I pulled out the Gas-X I had on hand and realized it was the cherry chewable kind. I must not have been paying attention when I bought it. I wasnít sure if it was good to give to her or not, but my concern for her condition quickly outweighed my concern over the right kind of Gas-X so I gave it to her right away when she was acting funny. She was able to chew and swallow it, but I had given it to her before she had started the unsuccessful vomiting attempts.

Iím not sure how much it helped, if at all, by the time we got to the vet (probably about 10 minutes after she took it) her stomach had already flipped.

Very good advice to know the dosing information ahead of time to not waste precious minutes trying to figure it out in an emergency situation. Iím going to look into getting some of the activated charcoal as well.

Very informative information Ė good thread!
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#172348 - 08/09/11 02:03 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Heidifarm]
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I have the thin strips. You just lay them on the tongue and they melt. I bought those because if I had a dog suffering from bloat, I couldn't imagine trying to get a pill down their throat. I thought since they melt, it would start working quicker.
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#172351 - 08/09/11 02:30 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Kris]
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Those are the ones I have too Kris. they are also handy if we're out and about, and he's panting like crazy, drawing in a lot of air. I know then that Max is very likely to get bloated. He's tacked, so won't flip, but he does get awfully bloated.
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#172354 - 08/09/11 02:38 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I didn't know about those strips. I will have to pick them up. thumbup
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