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#9940 - 02/25/10 04:57 PM Bloat
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We really need a Bloat sticky. Every GSD owner needs to be aware of what to look for and what steps they need to take at the first signs of Bloat.
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#9963 - 02/25/10 05:21 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.
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#9964 - 02/25/10 05:23 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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agreed I just got an email from a friend whos 14 yr old GSD is in surgery for bloat right now
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#9975 - 02/25/10 05:33 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.


oh...guess I should have looked around some more whistling But a discussion thread would be helpful.
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#9979 - 02/25/10 05:50 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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The symptoms listed here is the best list I've seen. (For my dog, the first symptom was hyper-salivation, which then became drooling. Then she started to look uncomfortable.)

http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm

The links at the bottom are very good and worth reading further.

I have this list printed up and hanging on the inside of a kitchen cupboard. I don't want to be logging on to my computer and hoping that my cable/broadband is working. I've also read it often enough to have most of the symptoms memorized. My dog started to bloat when I was nearly an hour away from home and approx 30 mintues away from my vet's office. Which leads me to the next issue.

We need to have Extra strength Gas-X (or similar) with us ALWAYS. Carry it in your car, your briefcase, your purse, your training bag. Have a bunch of it at home. Don't use it for yourself, or if you do, buy some for the dog and some for you, and mark it appropropriately. When you run out of yours, go buy some. I know someone who needed Gas-X for her dog, but she used up her stash here and there; didn't have it when she needed it; then had to rush out and get some (fortunately, it turned out ok). Don't steal your dog's Gas-X! Your gas pains are uncomfortable. His could be deadly! frown

When my dog started to bloat (I wasn't sure, but I suspected), I had foil packets in my car and my bag. I gave her two (pinched off the end and squeezed the medicine down her throat), called my vet to tell her I was on the way, got halfway there, pulled over and gave my dog two more. I had plenty of Gas-X to buy us time.

Simethicone is a rather harmless drug, all things considered. For a 60 lb GSD, I'd start with 2 capsules; for an 80 lb GSD, I personally would give 3-4 depending on the severity of symptoms. Ask your vet NOW what she thinks the dosage should be for YOUR dog. It may vary depending on age, health, proximity of vet or emergency clinic, etc. I'm not a vet. I can only tell you what I would do.

You should know where at least two emergency clinics are. Have their phone numbers stored in your cell phone or posted near your land line and in your car (carry business cards in your wallet or glove box). Call ahead. If the staff is already involved in other traumas, they may not be able to take your dog. If your dog is experiencing torsion and the surgeons are involved in a complicated surgery, they may not be able to take your dog. Be sure you tell them exactly what symptoms your dog is having and that you suspect bloat. Ask if they can treat your dog asap. If not, move on to your second choice.

If you can't get to the vet asap -- if you are delayed for any reason (or if you get there and they can't take him right away) -- and it doesn't appear that your dog is experiencing torsion yet -- you can try to walk your dog briskly. Don't let him run, no matter how panicked he seems to be, but this isn't the time for a stroll, or stopping and sniffing. Moving quickly can help move gas out of the stomach. It's one of the things that vets do to help horses with colic. Obviously, this is not your first line of defense. Your first line of defense is to get to an emergency clinic asap and insist that they treat him immediately.

Above all, stay calm. If you panic, you'll stress your dog. Create a plan now. Talk to your regular vet. Can she handle an emergency GDV situation? Can she handle it at any time (including closing time, weekends, etc)? Will your dog have overnight monitoring there? If not, an emergency or critical care clinic may be a better option for you. Ask her (or friends) for recommendations now. Print that information up and put it in several places. Give it to pet sitters, family members, etc.

When GDV happens, it happens fast, usually with little or no warning. It can happen when you're away from home (as I found out). The more we prepare now, the better we'll be able to respond. And what our dogs need most in a medical emergency -- especially one as painful as GDV -- is a calm reassuring owner. smile

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#9985 - 02/25/10 06:12 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Excellant post (as usual) 3k9Mom
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#10018 - 02/25/10 06:48 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Ditto. Thank you.
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#10054 - 02/25/10 07:36 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog]
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The vets told me I can pump Renji full of Simethicone. He is about 45 lbs or so and has had 4-8 xtra strength gasx in a couple hours. Very safe indeed. ALWAYS have this on hand and break open the capsule to give just the liquid. It is very minty, FYI.
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#10059 - 02/25/10 07:42 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Great info! Here's a bit more...

bloat

This article shows the dogs that are most susceptible and the odds...sometimes too much information is scary, but I like to know all of the possibilities, probabilities, and anything else that I can find out


The more that I know, the more I can do.... crossedfingers
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#10082 - 02/25/10 08:12 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Doggonefool]
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My experience is that ANY dog can bloat at ANY time. While there are some tendencies that should be paid attention to (weak nerved dogs in particular), I think that getting hung up on things like exercise (which hasn't been proven at all) is dangerous.

My dog was a beagle/cocker mix. She had an empty stomach. It was 4:30pm. She had last eaten at about 9am. She was a very calm confident dog, peacefully snoozing in the back of my car. (She loved to go for rides.) She was a senior, but a female. She was eating a home made diet.

How many of the "tendencies" can we knock off with that one example?

I think that if we just presume any dog, any breed can bloat at any time, then we'll be prepared as best as we can. Doesn't matter if you own Dalmations, Malinois, GSDs, beagles, or who-knows-what mixes. Doesn't matter if the dog is a senior or a puppy. We'll just be prepared. We won't get superstitious about "rules."

Is it a good idea to keep our kids from eating too fast, getting too stressed, exercising right after large meals, etc? Well, yeah...but it would be regardless of GDV tendencies. Mom didn't let us go swimming after a meal for a reason. It made us feel icky.

But having one dog experience partial torsion and another bloat, I've spoken to a lot of veterinary specialists about this. The best answer I've ever gotten is, "it's a lot of genetics, and a lot of 'we just don't know.' But I've seen dogs bloat that you would never expect to. So I'm never surprised anymore."

So, that's my bottom line on GDV at this point. Any dog can bloat at any time. I meet people who ask how I can have a GSD when the risk of bloat is so huge. I tell them that their (fill in the name of the breed) can bloat too, so they better read up on it as well.

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