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#9940 - 02/25/10 04:57 PM Bloat
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We really need a Bloat sticky. Every GSD owner needs to be aware of what to look for and what steps they need to take at the first signs of Bloat.
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#9963 - 02/25/10 05:21 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.
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#9964 - 02/25/10 05:23 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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agreed I just got an email from a friend whos 14 yr old GSD is in surgery for bloat right now
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#9975 - 02/25/10 05:33 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.


oh...guess I should have looked around some more whistling But a discussion thread would be helpful.
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#9979 - 02/25/10 05:50 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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The symptoms listed here is the best list I've seen. (For my dog, the first symptom was hyper-salivation, which then became drooling. Then she started to look uncomfortable.)

http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm

The links at the bottom are very good and worth reading further.

I have this list printed up and hanging on the inside of a kitchen cupboard. I don't want to be logging on to my computer and hoping that my cable/broadband is working. I've also read it often enough to have most of the symptoms memorized. My dog started to bloat when I was nearly an hour away from home and approx 30 mintues away from my vet's office. Which leads me to the next issue.

We need to have Extra strength Gas-X (or similar) with us ALWAYS. Carry it in your car, your briefcase, your purse, your training bag. Have a bunch of it at home. Don't use it for yourself, or if you do, buy some for the dog and some for you, and mark it appropropriately. When you run out of yours, go buy some. I know someone who needed Gas-X for her dog, but she used up her stash here and there; didn't have it when she needed it; then had to rush out and get some (fortunately, it turned out ok). Don't steal your dog's Gas-X! Your gas pains are uncomfortable. His could be deadly! frown

When my dog started to bloat (I wasn't sure, but I suspected), I had foil packets in my car and my bag. I gave her two (pinched off the end and squeezed the medicine down her throat), called my vet to tell her I was on the way, got halfway there, pulled over and gave my dog two more. I had plenty of Gas-X to buy us time.

Simethicone is a rather harmless drug, all things considered. For a 60 lb GSD, I'd start with 2 capsules; for an 80 lb GSD, I personally would give 3-4 depending on the severity of symptoms. Ask your vet NOW what she thinks the dosage should be for YOUR dog. It may vary depending on age, health, proximity of vet or emergency clinic, etc. I'm not a vet. I can only tell you what I would do.

You should know where at least two emergency clinics are. Have their phone numbers stored in your cell phone or posted near your land line and in your car (carry business cards in your wallet or glove box). Call ahead. If the staff is already involved in other traumas, they may not be able to take your dog. If your dog is experiencing torsion and the surgeons are involved in a complicated surgery, they may not be able to take your dog. Be sure you tell them exactly what symptoms your dog is having and that you suspect bloat. Ask if they can treat your dog asap. If not, move on to your second choice.

If you can't get to the vet asap -- if you are delayed for any reason (or if you get there and they can't take him right away) -- and it doesn't appear that your dog is experiencing torsion yet -- you can try to walk your dog briskly. Don't let him run, no matter how panicked he seems to be, but this isn't the time for a stroll, or stopping and sniffing. Moving quickly can help move gas out of the stomach. It's one of the things that vets do to help horses with colic. Obviously, this is not your first line of defense. Your first line of defense is to get to an emergency clinic asap and insist that they treat him immediately.

Above all, stay calm. If you panic, you'll stress your dog. Create a plan now. Talk to your regular vet. Can she handle an emergency GDV situation? Can she handle it at any time (including closing time, weekends, etc)? Will your dog have overnight monitoring there? If not, an emergency or critical care clinic may be a better option for you. Ask her (or friends) for recommendations now. Print that information up and put it in several places. Give it to pet sitters, family members, etc.

When GDV happens, it happens fast, usually with little or no warning. It can happen when you're away from home (as I found out). The more we prepare now, the better we'll be able to respond. And what our dogs need most in a medical emergency -- especially one as painful as GDV -- is a calm reassuring owner. smile

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#9985 - 02/25/10 06:12 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Excellant post (as usual) 3k9Mom
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#10018 - 02/25/10 06:48 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Ditto. Thank you.
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#10054 - 02/25/10 07:36 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog]
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The vets told me I can pump Renji full of Simethicone. He is about 45 lbs or so and has had 4-8 xtra strength gasx in a couple hours. Very safe indeed. ALWAYS have this on hand and break open the capsule to give just the liquid. It is very minty, FYI.
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#10059 - 02/25/10 07:42 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Great info! Here's a bit more...

bloat

This article shows the dogs that are most susceptible and the odds...sometimes too much information is scary, but I like to know all of the possibilities, probabilities, and anything else that I can find out


The more that I know, the more I can do.... crossedfingers
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#10082 - 02/25/10 08:12 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Doggonefool]
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My experience is that ANY dog can bloat at ANY time. While there are some tendencies that should be paid attention to (weak nerved dogs in particular), I think that getting hung up on things like exercise (which hasn't been proven at all) is dangerous.

My dog was a beagle/cocker mix. She had an empty stomach. It was 4:30pm. She had last eaten at about 9am. She was a very calm confident dog, peacefully snoozing in the back of my car. (She loved to go for rides.) She was a senior, but a female. She was eating a home made diet.

How many of the "tendencies" can we knock off with that one example?

I think that if we just presume any dog, any breed can bloat at any time, then we'll be prepared as best as we can. Doesn't matter if you own Dalmations, Malinois, GSDs, beagles, or who-knows-what mixes. Doesn't matter if the dog is a senior or a puppy. We'll just be prepared. We won't get superstitious about "rules."

Is it a good idea to keep our kids from eating too fast, getting too stressed, exercising right after large meals, etc? Well, yeah...but it would be regardless of GDV tendencies. Mom didn't let us go swimming after a meal for a reason. It made us feel icky.

But having one dog experience partial torsion and another bloat, I've spoken to a lot of veterinary specialists about this. The best answer I've ever gotten is, "it's a lot of genetics, and a lot of 'we just don't know.' But I've seen dogs bloat that you would never expect to. So I'm never surprised anymore."

So, that's my bottom line on GDV at this point. Any dog can bloat at any time. I meet people who ask how I can have a GSD when the risk of bloat is so huge. I tell them that their (fill in the name of the breed) can bloat too, so they better read up on it as well.

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#10089 - 02/25/10 08:20 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Doggonefool]
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Here's what happened to me when Shoshi bloated March 25, 2009.

At 10:50pm I was awaken by Shoshi moving around the bed. She clearly couldn't get comfortable. I thought she might not be feeling good so I decided I would stay up and be with her.

Once up I let everyone outside to go potty but Shoshi didn't return. After a few moments I went outside to find her standing in the bushes. Odd. I coaxed her inside with me where I watched as she again tried unsuccessfully to get comfortable. I kept checking her gums, her heart rate-all normal. I thought it had to be just a tummy ache but in the back of my mind I was thinking Bloat. All I knew for sure was that something was wrong with my baby.

In the wee hours of the night I again let them outside and again she did not return. I remember going out there and finding her lying on the ground. I sat there on the dirt with her watching the stars as I explained how I understood how yucky it was to feel sick. Then we returned inside.

More time passed and still nothing. The gums were fine, the heart rate was fine, her breathing was fine.

Around 4am she had somehow gotten out of my site and into the bedroom where I thought I heard her vomit. I rushed in to find nothing. At that point I could not let her out of my sight.

At 5:20 am it happened. She attempted to vomit and nothing came out. All of the sudden her tummy swelled to twice the size and I knew she had Bloated. I knew my Vets office usually opened early about 6:30 even though their hours were stated to open at 7am. I quickly weighed the difference between waiting and taking her there or getting her to the E Vet which was much further away. The time difference was about 40mins in the worst case senario so I decided to wait for our Vets.

As soon as I saw the Vet Tech approaching the building I screamed at him that I needed help, that my baby had bloated. Poor guy, said 'bloat?' and I yelled, Yes Bloat, do you know what Bloat is????' I was all ready to educate this young man in less than three seconds, but he knew and opened the door for us.

He got the critical information needed from me and was right on the phone with the Vets who then arrived within min's. Shoshi was then rushed in for X-rays and one Vet came out and explained what might happen (ie,tube in her, if surgery needed they will tack the stomach, just the important stuff). Then the door opened and it was confirmed it was Bloat with Torsion. I was led back to see the x-ray and she was already being preped for surgery. The important thing I later learned is that they had the cath is right away. I guess this is am important step as some Vets wait to long and then its too late.

My little hero made it through surgery...I will never forgot this....just seeing her when I walked back to see her. She sat there wobbling back and fouth with the iv in her arm.

Of course, there was that three day critial period afterwards but we got lucky. My little girl is still with me and the pride and joy of my life.

They say dogs can't talk...well, they can't talk with words but they speak volumes with their eyes. I told her as long as she spoke to me with her eyes that I would continue to listen with my heart and we will always communicate just fine.
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#10683 - 02/26/10 03:04 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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Wow.
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#18071 - 03/11/10 06:00 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog]
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Ok - so here is my story...

My worst nightmare became a reality on January 29, 2010 when my 6 yr old male white gsd, Kaspar, bloated. I have known about bloat since I got him as he was my first GSD (and first dog) ever so I did lots of research about the breed. I have tried to read up on it often to see new developments or theories. I was doing the things I had read to do…never fed hour before/after exercise; no gulping water; no raised bowls, etc.

It happened on a Friday. This is significant to Kaspars case as that is garbage day and he is totally freaked out by garbage trucks and other loud trucks/buses. He gets so scared that he shakes and his teeth chatter. They say that stress can sometimes bring on bloat in high anxiety dogs (which he is).

So meals were no different than every other day. He eats around 7am and 7pm every day. That night, about 2 hours after his meal, he started dry heaving. That put me into alert mode. When it happened several times, I got dressed – just in case. He wanted to go outside, but all he did was eat grass and try to continue throwing up. I took him back inside. He had actually done this once before a few months ago and I got him in the bedroom on the bed and he settled down and things got better. This time it didn’t. He stood there in the den in a hunched over position and that is when I popped 2 gas-x down him and got in the car and drove him to the e-vet. I had been constantly looking at his stomach and feeling it and couldn’t feel anything major. I did feel something that I later learned was his spleen. They immediately took him back and did xrays and stated his stomach and spleen were swollen and there was lots of air (not as bad though as the basset hound that came in 10 mins before him). He had to rush into surgery for the basset hound but strongly suggested surgery instead of just tubing, so I told him to go ahead. Once he got in, his spleen had torsed, but not his stomach. He finally had to remove the spleen. He tacked his stomach at that time.

All dogs now get a nice little green surprise in each meal. No waiting anymore – Gas-X is used daily!

Worst night of my life!
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#18102 - 03/11/10 07:20 PM Re: Bloat [Re: lorio]
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Lori, my heart goes out to you as I read your story. I know how hard it is reliving the worst nights of our lives, but hopefully our stories will help others.
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#18128 - 03/11/10 08:19 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom]
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That's what I hope Rosa. Each time we tell our stories, someone may learn something new that will help them if they have to experience it. I know I have learned SO much from reading about others and their experience with bloat. In fact, it helped me know the signs and symptoms and probably helped me to save his life.
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#18137 - 03/11/10 08:34 PM Re: Bloat [Re: lorio]
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I was wondering if one could use Gas-X on a daily basis as a bloat preventive. I know some humans do. Thanks for sharing your story, lorio.
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#18141 - 03/11/10 08:37 PM Re: Bloat [Re: lorio]
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I was wondering if one could use Gas-X on a daily basis as a bloat preventive. I know some humans do. Thanks for sharing your story, lorio.
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#18227 - 03/11/10 11:42 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog]
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For some weird reason, Gas-X made Max's stool loose???? I ended up adding more magnesium to his (homeprepared) diet, which helped.
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#49200 - 06/03/10 12:24 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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every time I read about bloat, I remember why I live where I do. My vet is less than ten minutes away and my e vet is 10 minutes the other direction. Stops any thought of moving because this is so very important to have.
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#79724 - 09/01/10 11:44 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Zisso]
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Symithicone (sp AKA Gas X) can cause mucus in the stools, if used on a regular basis should be used with caution because it pulls mucus out of the intestinal wall. (what a vet told me & what I experienced -- equals loose or runny stools). If you want to keep it around for occassional use, that's fine. You can use a generic which is a lot cheaper and does the same job.

Barker the Elder had an incident of bloat which resulted in the removal of her spleen and tacking her stomach. She just acted like she needed to vomit - and she was producing frothy bile so she was producing something. The vomit was so sticky that it had huge bubbles in it and when picked up was almost rubbery. I did not notice her stomach distending until I started to guide her outside. One feel of that gut & I was on the phone.

I ran one stop light is all and handed the vet my credit card. And I kept handing it to him. Fix my dog. "but she's old, she has this funky going on & it's going to cost X more and she might not make it anyway" Fix my dog. She lived six or seven years more.

Be prepared. They have to stabilize your dog first before they operate. They will ask for an initial amount. Then they will ask again for more if you want to proceed. E-vets get stiffed if they don't get the money up front - that's why they ask.

Not every swollen abdomen is bloat. Hemangio sarcoma presents with a distended abdomen, too.

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#80248 - 09/03/10 11:56 AM Re: Bloat [Re: middleofnowhere]
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I've always wondered why Gas-x gives Max loose stools - good to know!
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#80254 - 09/03/10 12:03 PM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I guess I've been lucky so far - all 3 of mine have been getting gas x daily since Kaspar bloated and no loose stools.
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#172153 - 08/08/11 10:34 AM Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links
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Could we maybe add a heading on First Aid instructions to the stickie on bloat?

My question is prompted by Recon's bloat emergency. And Amanda's helpful use of GAS-X as First Aid. I looked up links for bloat First Aid but I could not find a first aid guide to using GAS-X in a bloat emergency.

These are First Aid links I found:
http://www.freewebs.com/dmroster/bloat.html
http://www.kifka.com/Elektrik/BloatFirstAid.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloat#First_Aid

1) GAS-X:

Questions:

a) Which form of Gas-X? Chewies? Pills? Liquid drops?
GAS-X is always recommended as First Aid but I don't know which form of GAS-X is best in a bloat emergency: Pills, chewies, kids' drops? If a bloating dog is drooling and gagging, are drops best? Or pop a pill in back of mouth and make him swallow?

http://www.gas-x.com/products.shtml

b) Dosage?
http://www.walkervalleyvet.com/otc-meds.htm


http://www.petresearch.net/content/safe-human-medicines-dogs-and-cats


2) Pepcid?

3) Stomach Tube (e-vet is >20 minutes away)

a) Detailed instructions:
http://www.kifka.com/Elektrik/BloatFirstAid.htm

b) Warning against:
http://www.pets1st.com/articles/00043bloatindogs.asp


Recently I took a two hour course on dog and cat First Aid at an veterinary emergency clinic. I learned a lot and I highly recommend that. I didn't think of asking these questions about bloat then though. The course covered topics such as where and how to take a pulse, normal pulse and heartbeat, elevated temperature, car accidents and shock, etc. It is so important to know what our dogs' normal pulse, heartbeat, temperature is. So we can quickly assess the basics of an emergency and provide that info to an e-vet.

Hope we never have to use it.
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#172167 - 08/08/11 12:09 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: shepnterrier]
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Excellent questions, thumbup and well-thought-out, Sarah! I'm also wondering about activated charcoal for bloat. Ruth uses it, I think? I've got a bottle in the cupboard. How much, when and how to use for a dog? thinking

Thanks to Sarah for starting this thread! thanks
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#172181 - 08/08/11 01:18 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Braverhund]
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I have Gas X pills. When Chama bloated I alternated Gas-X with activated charcoal. I also kept Chama moving per the instructions of my vet. He also said to There are several homeopathic remedies that are also useful for bloat: Nux Vomica and Carbo Vegetalis are two that come to mind. If there isn't torsion then these things will help resolve the problem. Obviously you always need to go to the vet to have them assess the severity of the situation!

The activated charcoal is also crucial for absorbing toxins as well as gas. For example, Chama often got into dead things at the cottage or in the woods and one time got very, very sick. I put her on a broth diet and then slowly reintroduced home cooked food and gave her a ton of charcoal to help get the bad stuff out of her system. It took a while but she made a full recovery.

We could also do one for diarrhea. I know of a lot of remedies that work for diarrhea.
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#172294 - 08/09/11 12:13 AM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: BowWowMeow]
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Ruth, not a bad idea to have a thread of great diarrhea remedies...can always use those smile

Sarah, I didn't include the stuff about the bloat tube, because I just wasn't comfortable adding that, with what might seem like an endorsement. I did put the Gas-x stuff at the top of the bloat sticky in the Index. That sticky can be modified if folks thing there should be something added.
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#172343 - 08/09/11 01:47 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thanks for posting this, I've also been curious about the best type of Gas-X to give. When I was suspecting Heidi of bloating I pulled out the Gas-X I had on hand and realized it was the cherry chewable kind. I must not have been paying attention when I bought it. I wasn’t sure if it was good to give to her or not, but my concern for her condition quickly outweighed my concern over the right kind of Gas-X so I gave it to her right away when she was acting funny. She was able to chew and swallow it, but I had given it to her before she had started the unsuccessful vomiting attempts.

I’m not sure how much it helped, if at all, by the time we got to the vet (probably about 10 minutes after she took it) her stomach had already flipped.

Very good advice to know the dosing information ahead of time to not waste precious minutes trying to figure it out in an emergency situation. I’m going to look into getting some of the activated charcoal as well.

Very informative information – good thread!
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#172348 - 08/09/11 02:03 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Heidifarm]
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I have the thin strips. You just lay them on the tongue and they melt. I bought those because if I had a dog suffering from bloat, I couldn't imagine trying to get a pill down their throat. I thought since they melt, it would start working quicker.
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#172351 - 08/09/11 02:30 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: Kris]
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Those are the ones I have too Kris. they are also handy if we're out and about, and he's panting like crazy, drawing in a lot of air. I know then that Max is very likely to get bloated. He's tacked, so won't flip, but he does get awfully bloated.
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#172354 - 08/09/11 02:38 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: MaxaLisa]
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I didn't know about those strips. I will have to pick them up. thumbup
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#172963 - 08/12/11 10:21 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: BowWowMeow]
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After reading about them on this board I bought the strips, too.

I didn't think about keeping them in various places, but I will now put a few in my car, my purse, etc.

Also - for any emergency program the directions to you emergency vet into your GPS if you aren't close. Don't wait until you need it - o do it now.
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#173679 - 08/16/11 09:57 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: PositiveDog]
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Thank you, Kris, for recommending the gas-x strips. That makes so much sense to me. I will get them.

Thanks, Lisa, for merging the the post into the thread. I agree with you on not endorsing the tubing. Only if I lived in a very remote place with an e-vet hours away, I might want to prepare for that. But most of us are better off popping gas-x and rushing the dog to the e-vet immediately, without wasting time on a risky procedure at which we are not skilled.
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#173682 - 08/16/11 10:03 PM Re: Bloat emergency First Aid, questions & links [Re: shepnterrier]
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On the strips, the dosage is 1/2 of the caplets.
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#194483 - 11/18/11 05:35 PM Video of bloat symptoms
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#194488 - 11/18/11 06:34 PM Re: Video of bloat symptoms [Re: Jane Jean]
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that was informative! i am glad at the beginning of the video they told us he was going to be ok.
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#194581 - 11/18/11 10:46 PM Re: Video of bloat symptoms [Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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Great video, I added it to the bloat sticky in the health index smile
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#194622 - 11/19/11 05:34 AM Re: Video of bloat symptoms [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Thanks for sharing that video on bloat. It was tough to watch, brought back painful memories.

Thank goodness the dog recovered. Little does he know, he may be saving the life of many dogs in the future.
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#194626 - 11/19/11 06:34 AM Re: Video of bloat symptoms [Re: Wolfie]
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Excellent video and I happy the dog was okay.
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#236992 - 06/18/12 01:26 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Not sure if this was shared as I haven't read the whole thread yet but my fav resource for bloat info is The Bloat Book. I shared a copy of it on disk for all my puppy buyers.

http://www.dachshund.org/bloat_instructions.html

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#243750 - 07/20/12 09:38 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Kibblelady]
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I started to watch the video and had to stop...will probably watch it bit by bit. It brought back to many memories of the night Thor died and I can only watch it with tears in my eyes.

How I wish a thread like this had been available before Thor bloated. I didn't even know what was wrong with him as I had never even heard of bloat before. I just thought he had an upset tummy, something he had quite frequently (he was such a 'nervy' dog and always suffered from upset tummy problems).

It wasn't just an upset tummy. It was bloat...and Thor died that night due to my ignorance. Please, read this thread again...and again...and again, until you know it by heart and know exactly what to do to save your dog.
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#268801 - 01/22/13 12:38 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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Is there a proven way to avoid it? Our puppy plays ALL THE TIME!!! And due to our schedules, it's so hard to not feed him until x amount of time before and x amount of time after playing. Especially since he's a puppy!!! And he drinks water like crazy while running around. Would water effect it? Now im nervous and should start reading.... frown

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#268826 - 01/22/13 03:12 PM Re: Bloat [Re: Krissy]
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Originally Posted By: Krissy
Is there a proven way to avoid it? Our puppy plays ALL THE TIME!!! And due to our schedules, it's so hard to not feed him until x amount of time before and x amount of time after playing. Especially since he's a puppy!!! And he drinks water like crazy while running around. Would water effect it? Now im nervous and should start reading.... frown


No, no proven way frown Max's trigger was drinking a ton of water before practicing recalls (I didn't realize he had gulped a bunch at the time), but many dogs seem to have no trigger frown Best thing we can do is take precautions, reduce stress, more non-commercial food, and have gas-x to give on the way to ER, or any time we suspect something might be going on.
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#268915 - 01/23/13 02:42 AM Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa]
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Would it be possible to crate him after he has eaten?
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#312521 - 04/03/14 10:30 AM Re: Bloat [Re: bianca]
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I think this is a great example of probable stress induced bloat (That is MY assumption, this dog is at the vet after being shot in the line of duty so we know it can't be exercise related!)


Yorba Regional Animal Hospital
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Wednesday PM Bruno Update
Steven Dunbar DVM - Yorba Regional Animal Hospital
Bruno is stable today after bloat surgery late yesterday. Last night Bruno started retching and showing signs of distress. Since he is in our hospital under close observation, these symptoms were noted early and he was diagnosed with early stage stomach bloating and torsion.

This is a serious life threatening condition that is caused by the stomach filling with air then turning over on itself. This turning or vulvulous of the stomach results in cutting off of the circulation to the stomach. As the stomach looses circulation tissue starts to die, toxins from the cells and bacteria invade into the body and causes rapid decline in health and if not corrected results in death, sometimes in a matter of hours.

Fortunately Bruno's signs were noticed early and the emergency veterinarian on staff diagnosed the condition and Dr Fahie rushed to the hospital to perform emergency surgery. Dr Fahie was able to correct the condition but it turned out to be a close call. He is on a constant heart monitor (ekg) watching for arrhythmias caused by this condition and he is back on IV fluids and nasal oxygen. His handler RJ was there at the hospital in support of his canine partner during the surgery.

Bruno is in good condition today. He is walking around his cage, alert and loving all the attention. Anytime after this kind of surgery, the prognosis is guarded and with each day his prognosis will improve. The first few days are the most serious.
Bruno is a champ to have lived through 2 such life threatening episodes and bounce back with determination.

Keep up the Bruno vigil, he still has a long way to go and potentially more surgeries.


A comment to all those large breed dog owners out there - Gastric bloat and torsion is a serious problem. There is a preventative surgery that can be performed where we tack the stomach to the inside of the belly wall. This prevents the stomach from turning. At Yorba we perform this surgery with a endoscope through a small incision. The dogs go home the same day with minimal discomfort (less then a spay or neuter surgery) and are usually eating by evening. We offer this surgery at a reduced cost to encourage prevention to pet owners of breeds at risk. This weekend I will post some more information on our website about breeds at risk and pictures of the surgery for those of you that are interested. Go to Yorbaregionalvets.com


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#339002 - 02/12/16 03:56 PM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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I lost Kaz (9) and Zak (11) through twisted gut (bloat) and through these losses helped to save the life of
Troy (7) through Recognising the symptoms for the third time and taking action quickly.

The symptoms I believe are: Your dog will START TO PANT HEAVILY and then BECOME EXTREMELY AGITATED. It will THEN TRY TO BE SICK REGULARY , HOWEVER, THE SICK WILL NOT BE YELLOW IT WILL BE WHITE, STICKY BILE, WITH NO FOOD CONTENT TO IT.
Put your hand into this bile and feel it and IF IT IS VERY SLIMEY AND STICKY AND ALSO EXTREMELY WHITE WITH LOTS OF AIR BUBBLES - THEN GET YOUR DOG TO THE VET IMMEDIATELY AT THIS STAGE AS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

If no action is taken at this stage and your Dog does have bloat it will pant almost continuously and will not be able to lie down for long Periods of time, because it will be too uncomfortable. It's stomach will also start to balloon out. When this happens it has become very serious and your dogs chance of survival will be slim.

The Vet can put a Stefascope to your Dogs stomach and they are able to hear the gases that Bloat
Produces. This was not done with my second dog and he was sent home with antibiotics and by the
Time the Vet confirmed that it was Bloat five hours later, my beautiful boy Zak died after having the
Operation too late. The Bloat was extreme in both Kaz and Zak and sent them both into deep shock.
When they died their bodies were twice their size.

When I saw the above symptoms in my boy Troy, I immediately took him to my Vets and told them I
Believed it was bloat and they confirmed that it was, and within one hour he had the operation and they saved His life.

Be persistent with your Vet if you believe it is bloat and make sure they check the stomach with a
Stefascope - do not make my mistake by allowing an inexperienced Vet to send
Them home with antibiotics.

Vets can also detect Bloat through an X Ray.

To this day - I miss Kaz and Zak and am so sorry I did not understand this condition.

I sincerely hope my story will help all pet owners to be aware of this condition.

Although Vets do not know what causes Bloat - Exercising your dog and then feeding it, either before or after that exercise (whether it be playing or walking) CAN twist the Gut causing Bloat. They recommend
You DO NOT FEED YOUR DOG ON TOP OF SUCH EXERCISING and that YOU WAIT ONE HOUR
BEFORE FEEDING them, BEFORE OR AFTER A WALK.

Regards,

Bev

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#344952 - 08/20/17 08:59 AM Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom]
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I was reading these posts and I am worried because my gsd is belching. sometimes after he eats and once in awhile at night he is restless and then lets out a burp and goes back to sleep. Is this normal??

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#344957 - 08/20/17 01:07 PM Re: Bloat [Re: jlstudent1970]
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Belching is good. So is "passing gas". All counter-indicative of bloat.

With bloat, the gut will feel tight, the dog will be restless and likely will try to vomit but have no success. Talk to your vet about it. You'll feel better after that conversation.

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#344960 - 08/20/17 02:51 PM Re: Bloat [Re: middleofnowhere]
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thank you for replying, I feel better. I forgot to mention I am in the transition period of switching dog food also. He is eating Fromm and I am trying Dr. Gary's best breed. The reason for the switch is that with the fromm he can eat 4 cups a day and don't gain weight, plus stools are okay, somewhat orange inside. Since adding dr garys his stool is brown and firm.

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