Miss Moo is off her rocker :(

Posted by: bianca

Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 04:49 PM

Molly is acting super weird even for her and I have no idea why.

Yesterday morning she started freaking out, shaking so bad, just acting really weird. The weather was fine (and stayed that way) so no storms. In the end I gave her a couple of xanax and that calmed her down.

About 6 hours after I had given them, she went for Wonka. It freaked me out big time but I pulled her off him quickly and threw her in a crate. Wonka was so freaked he urinated and went and hid under our bed frown She has never done anything like that before.

She was fine the rest of the evening. Now we have been up for 45 mins and she was fine, went out to toilet, ate her breakfast and then just now I went to let them out and she started whimpering, squeaking. She rushed the bedroom door and tried to jump onto our bed (brad was asleep so I think she wanted him) which she never does.

And now she is shaking.

Nothing has changed that I can think of. I have no idea what is wrong with her unless she is just having a long brain fart frown
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 04:55 PM

Oh, no! Not Miss Moo! This is a lot for you to deal with right now, along with Cooper's issues. I'm so sorry! hugging hugging hugging

Any seismic activity? Any millitary bases nearby? Anything your neighbors might be doing to rattle your dogs-- such as a silent dog whistle? (a neighbor did that to my last GSD for over 2 weeks until someone caught him. Horrible!)

I would get her thyroid checked. I'd also get her vision very carefully checked, too.

Any change in her food? What is Molly Moo eating? How/where is her food stored?

Could Molly have gotten into anyone's medication? I know you're so careful and very responsible, but dogs can be curious and sniffy/mouthy. paw

Sending positive, calming vibes for your good girl. She's usually so happy and peaceful! You'll get this sorted out. hug Sending Moo calming vibes. peacesign butterfly

Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 05:17 PM

I can't think of anything Patti didn't already mention. frown Poor Moo teary
Posted by: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 05:28 PM

The only thing I can think of other than what was mentioned is a possible bladder infection. My dogs act really strange just before any outward signs show.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 06:10 PM

Quote:
The only thing I can think of other than what was mentioned is a possible bladder infection. My dogs act really strange just before any outward signs show.


Yes, exctly. Sounds so much like what Skye went through. It terrifed me to watch her and took way too long for me to find what was wrong. And so fast to see her act better when she was diagnosed for a UTI and on meds.

Please take a urine sample in for her.
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 06:30 PM

Didn't something like this happen before or am I thinking of a different dog?

I wonder if she is having small seizures?
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 06:55 PM

I agree to check for UTI.

Also, is the tummy really tight, which would be inflammation.

You don't have thinkgs like mountain lions around, do you?
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/01/12 07:59 PM

Oh wow, poor Miss Molly Moo. No advice just good thoughts. for all of you. Is she feeling some stress over Cooper's issues?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 05:56 AM

Thank you all so much hugging

Now that I think of it she was a little odd the morning before too. (So 3 days in a row). Mum and dad came over today for Fathers Day and noticed she is just weird, hard to describe but clingy maybe?

Patti, thank you I looked up earthquakes and there was nothing, no military base either. I doubt very much about the dog whistle but it is possible I suppose.

No change in food and thank you for thinking about medicines (we have so many lol!) but no it is kept safely.

UTI is possible and I will do my best to chase her around and get a sample thank you. She is not peeing more frequently although I don't know if that happens in dogs like humans.

Ruth, yes she did have an odd patch before we moved. I had forgotten about that. How would they diagnose seizures if they are not noticeable to me?

Her tummy is normal and no critters other than the odd bunny, thank you though.

Kathy anything is possible at the this stage but I can't imagine it.

I will take her in for a check up tomorrow, urine sample (hopefully) and blood work. I suppose it could be her thyroid as she has been on a diet for so long and no changes to her fat fluffy butt. Poor Moo, I've been neglecting her a bit with all this Cooper stuff.

Thank you so much for all your ideas ladies, I will report back after the vet hugging

ETA: will also get them to check her eyes, thank you.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 08:35 AM

Fingers crossed for you both, I am so sorry that your pet woes continue. You guys really need a break. hugging
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 08:41 AM

I'm sorry that you're going through so much right now, Bianca. hugging Mentioning the other funny patch to her vet is a good thing. Some types of seizures do indeed cause anxiety. A UTI can cause behavioral scaredy-dog stuff before symptoms show, so I'm hoping you can catch a urine sample from her. Thyroid, eyes, hmm.. I'm hoping something "jumps out at" the vet so that he can diagnose this quickly for The Moo. She's got to be the sweetest, dearest lovey out there, and this behavior seems so out of character for her. Bianca, I continue to send positive thoughts and energy for both Molly Moo and you, too. bloomrose
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 08:57 AM

When I need a urine sample I wait until my dog is out for the first time in the morning and rally has to go. I take a freshly washed pill bottle and a clean new trash bag out with me. When they squat, I just slide the bag under them.

Always catches plenty and I just dip my container and I'm good to go. Much easier for me than trying to put long handled containers under them in just the right spot.

Good luck with that!
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 09:43 AM

One more person hoping that you find the cause and the cure of Miss Moo's mood and you can take a deep breath sometime.

Mary Jane
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 11:58 AM

I'm sorry to hear about Molly's strange behavior. I just wanted to mention that Heidi has acted really weird several times over the five years we've had her (scared, clingy, shaking, hiding, acting as though she is listening for something, etc.) For example:

http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/198006/Heidi_is_acting_really_weird_a

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/general-behavior/105045-heidi-really-acting-weird-today.html

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/general-behavior/109986-shes-acting-weird-again.html

I used to think that it had to do with earthquakes or hearing something in the distance that we couldn't hear. In every case, she got over it in a couple of days and I never did figure out what it was!

Best of luck to you in getting to the bottom of this. It's hard to see your dog so scared and upset, and not knowing why. hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 12:19 PM

If there isn't a uti, other things to consider are thyroid and infection - I know that tick dieases aren't common over there, but I do remember finding a lyme disease support group that thought they contracted it over there. Wonder if it was because of molly I went looking at one point.
Posted by: AngelJ

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/02/12 01:14 PM

hugging Hoping you can figure this out and that Miss Moo is feeling back to her usual self soon.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/03/12 02:17 AM

Thank you all hugging

Karin, has Heidi ever had an 'episode' like that again? Maybe Molly and Heidi are soul sisters!!!

Lisa, thank you. I have never found any ticks before but that's not to say it hasn't happened.

Just came back from the vet and he took blood - so will wait for results. He does not think Thyroid due to her condition but will test for it.

Her eyes appear fine (no specialist equipment here though).

I got a urine sample (thanks Bonnie!) but left it in the fridge so will drop it off tomorrow hammer

Her weight - oh my gosh she really is a fatty boomba! The first of July she was 27.5kg /60# and today 30.3kg/66# and she has been on restricted rations! He said she looks super healthy (shiny healthy coat and she hasn't had a bath in about 6 months) and only a tiny bit cuddly.

I think she needs to get back down to about 26kg to be nice and lean.

The only thing he could think of if it is not behavioural is lead poisoning. I asked how and he said the most common causes are a) swallowing a fishing sinker b) renovations on the house if it has lead based paint or c) car batteries.

Of all those, I guess she 'could' have found an old sinker in the yard but she is not the type to eat stones etc. If it was Coop I could imagine it.

Anywhoo, I have to wait until we get some results back but he was really stumped too. She was weird again this morning but not for long.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/03/12 10:37 AM

Has Wonka gone to his new home yet? Just wondering if that was the cause of the snarkiness. Maybe Wonka getting packed up to move, the episodes of kennel cough, Cooper going back and forwards to the vet, moving to the new house, renovations, upsets over Cooper's diagnosis, escaping to the neighbours etc has caused Molly to feel a little unsettled herself and not knowing who to take it out on or what she should be doing. She seems to be a sensitive dog and I can imagine even the fact of you having so much on your plate could effect her. Anyway, just another thought if there is no medical explanation for her behaviour. hugging

ETA: I just read that Wonka is moving on Tuesday so that answers that question. paw
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/03/12 01:09 PM

A lot of thyroid stuff doesn't show in the coat until it' very very advanced. With her weight, I will hold out hope for something easy like thyroid. Of coure uti would be the easiest crossedfingers
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/03/12 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Thank you all hugging

Karin, has Heidi ever had an 'episode' like that again? Maybe Molly and Heidi are soul sisters!!!


They sound like they are both very sensitive--especially to noises and storms! Yes, Heidi has had some episodes since. It doesn't happen too often, but I really think it's related to sounds that she hears. There are a quite a few people around here that set off firecrackers regularly (idiots!). I think that sometimes she hears things off in the distance that we can't hear.

In fact, last night we were at my in-laws' house and someone was setting of firecrackers in the distance and she was very scared (shaking, ears erect, looking worried...) and wanted to be up on the outdoor couch with us. My sister-in-law really didn't want her up there, but Heidi kept trying to jump up, so she put a towel on it and let her come up. When Heidi is scared, she wants to be as close as possible to us. After a while, she calmed down.

My in-laws were a little surprised that this big german shepherd was such a scaredy cat!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/04/12 03:31 AM

Thank you Alison, that could very well be it hugging

Thank you Lisa, just got an email from the vet:

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Results for Molly are all normal. Thyroid function is also normal. The Total T4 measurement is a good indicator in otherwise healthy animals and for Molly it is right in the middle of normal. I think that pursuing equilibrium dialysis testing for T4 and thyroid antibodies is going to result in normal results. Because there are no blood abnormalities to even hint at a hormonal or toxin problem I am comfortable with these.


Urine test results also normal for biochem and cells.


It is likely her issues are psychological. Perhaps some Clomicalm for a couple of months might help? Happy for you to try some.

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Thank you Karin, they do sound so similar! Poor Heidi, it is so upsetting to see them like that.

So it appears that Miss Moo really does fit in here laugh I think I will give it a few more days and she how she is now Wonka has gone.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/04/12 06:19 AM

While I am glad she's not sick, I am sad that it's not an easy fix. I hope the return to a normal routine evens her out. crossedfingers
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/04/12 06:56 AM

If you would like to try something nonprescription, this is what I use for Skye:

Cholodin

One source: www.healthypets.com/chca50tach.html

I stopped using this for awhile, but decided to continue to give it to both of my seniors.

I buy mine through the affiliate link at Entirely to get a larger container.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/05/12 04:14 AM

Thank you Leah and Bonnie thanks for the link!

She has been ok today but we have windy wet weather predicted so will see how she does.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/05/12 07:58 AM

Bianca, keeping you and Moo in my good thoughts today. May this behavior be isolated and never return! Hoping that she and you have a good day today, and Cooper too! smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/06/12 04:47 AM

Awww thank you Patti hugging

She's not been too freaky today.

I have her results but I can't figure out how to post. (It is an email attachment - adobe)
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/06/12 05:23 PM

Bianca, do you know how to do a screenshot? You could post the results that way.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/06/12 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca

I have her results but I can't figure out how to post. (It is an email attachment - adobe)

I might be able to export to a photo, or at least can make a link for it if you want me to put it in my google docs folder. If you'd like that, email me the file.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/07/12 06:38 AM

Thank you! Der I didn't even think of taking a pic!


Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/07/12 06:39 AM

And I just realised they have her date of birth as 1/1/09, she is not 3 yet but I doubt that makes any difference.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/08/12 03:44 AM

Most of that bloodwork is right down the middle, isn't it?

I have a few observations, and I don't know what they mean, if anything. Bloodwork is a shot in time and it could be all different tomorrow, but....

The high haemaglobin, goes along with the high normal Hct. The RBC is in the upper normal, but nothing that anyone just looking at that alone would think twice about. I'm thinking this is related somehow to the high normal bicarbonate, but I have no idea what the relationship is.

All the blood counts (neutrophils, lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils, basophils) are all normal. Almost all of them are lower than the midpoint of their normal regions, except for the monocytes, which is in the higher normal region. Looking at the percentages, the monocytes are at the high end of the percentage of the blood they should normally take up.

Don't know if any of that means anything, nothing is *really* wrong!

How is she doing? Any respiratory problems? Is she getting enough water?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/08/12 04:18 AM

Thank you for looking Lisa smile

I have no idea what any of it means really! No respiratory issues and she has always gulped a lot of water. She seems more herself but the the last few days we have had really strong winds so that upsets her a bit.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/08/12 11:16 AM

Then. I guess I wouldn't worry about the bloodwork, but I would repeat in a year if nothing happens sooner, just to make sure.

These acid/alkaline things are really complicated, I don't really understand them, and have googled the heck out of them for isues both indy and max had at different times. Just for reference, I'll put this link and quote here in case we need it in a year wink

Here is a process I don't think is happening, but gives a clue how the bicarb and hct/hemoglobin can be related: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_hypoventilation_syndrome

Quote:
episodes of nighttime acidosis (e.g. due to sleep apnea) lead to compensation by the kidneys with retention of the alkali bicarbonate. This normalizes the acidity of the blood. However, bicarbonate stays around in the bloodstream for longer, and further episodes of hypercapnia lead to relatively mild acidosis and reduced ventilatory response in a vicious circle.[2][8]

Low oxygen levels lead to hypoxic pulmonary vasoconstriction, the tightening of small blood vessels in the lung to create an optimal distribution of blood through the lung. Persistently low oxygen levels causing chronic vasoconstriction leads to increased pressure on the pulmonary artery (pulmonary hypertension), which in turn puts strain on the right ventricle, the part of the heart that pumps blood to the lungs. The right ventricle undergoes remodeling, becomes distended and is less able to remove blood from the veins. When this is the case, raised hydrostatic pressure leads to accumulation of fluid in the skin (edema), and in more severe cases the liver and the abdominal cavity.[2]

The chronically low oxygen levels in the blood also lead to increased release of erythropoietin and the activation of erythropoeisis, the production of red blood cells. This results in polycythemia, abnormally increased numbers of circulating red blood cells and an elevated hematocrit.[2]

The only thing I might wonder if she's a bit too acidic, and might need some veggies.

Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/09/12 05:36 AM

Thank you Lisa, I really don't understand!

She has steamed beans, peas, brocolli and cauliflower every night to try and fill her up.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/09/12 02:38 PM

What I'm thinking is that her acid/alkali is a bit off, but I don't understand that stuff much at all, despite trying to. The deeper I look at it, the more I confuse myself. So, I guess I don't understand either crazy

So, in addition to the above, what else is she fed?

We had a dog at training, has been a reactive for years, I helped train her when she first came to training as a younger dog a LONG time ago. She belongs to one of the trainers out there. Just recently the owner added green beans to the diet, and there has been a huge turn around in behaviour - it's just amazing. We don't understand it. I'm guessing it can work both ways.

So, since nothing else is showing up, I really would look at something that is too much, or not enough. It might even be the need of some of the stuff that is in the supplement that Bonnie posted about. Of course, if this is an isolated incident, there are no worries. Retesting in a year (6 months if something worrisome comes up), in my mind, is to make sure that we make sure that bloodwork doesn't progress. Maybe with the diet she is on, that higher Hct and Bicarb is her normal, but you want to make sure that it's a consistent level, and not increasing.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/10/12 04:12 AM

Thank you so much Lisa. She has been much better the last few days, no shaking. Although she doesn't really want to go outside (esp in the morning) and Cooper doesn't want to come inside!!!!

She has been half raw fed/half kibble for about 3 months now. She was on 100% raw but when we moved, well I haven't been able to find a good cheap butcher. And paying around $5 per kilo is a bit too much to cope with.

I will retest her thank you. I just don't know where to start with adding or subtracting something. So I think unless she flips out again, I will leave as is???
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/11/12 04:12 AM

Is it possible that she is having gas or bloating (not "bloat", but more regular bloat), that is throwing her off?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/11/12 07:48 AM

Yes that is possible! Especially due to that darn broccoli and cauliflower!!! laugh So tonight before bed I will give her a charcoal tablet and see if she is more settled in the morning. Thank you Lisa, that is a great idea!
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/11/12 09:46 AM

Wait a minute...I just remembered something that might help. Chama went through a phase where she was waking up in the middle of the night every night. She just couldn't get comfortable! We would take her outside and she would just stand and stare out the front gate. I thought she was seeing ghosts or something!!!!!! Anyway, I finally figured out that she was allergic to the protein I was feeding her (turkey). I changed her diet and she stopped getting up in the night.

So, I think you're on to something...
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/11/12 10:49 AM

:crosedfingers: would be great if there were an easy-ish fix!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/20/12 04:19 AM

Just thought I would update, Miss Moo is back to normal apart from in the morning she does not want to out outside.

If Cooper wakes me at say 6 am, he will go straight out but Molly must cross her legs until a few hours later. Very odd.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/20/12 06:12 AM

Glad to read she is acting more "normal". Funny about the toileting needs - in the morning Quynne also seems to decide to hold it when she has ample opportunities.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/20/12 05:18 PM

That's good news. I wonder if something is still scaring her a little bit in the yard. If Rosa is nervous about something she won't potty unless she is bursting. Wish we could sit down with them and talk it out!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/20/12 11:36 PM

It really does seem like she's nervous about something frown Glad though all is well otherwise.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/21/12 03:10 AM

Yes it really does seem that something is scaring her but I have no idea what. Any other time of the day she flys out the door barking madly at perceived noises. But why she doesn't want to that in the morning I have no idea.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/21/12 06:59 AM

Maybe there is a sound that you can't hear that is bothering her?? I have no idea...
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/21/12 01:32 PM

Skye will go out first thing in the morning, but if it still not quite light later and she has to go she does not like to go out unless I go too. And on the rare occassion when she has to go out in the night, she stands on the back step and looks out into the yard for a long time first.

I am not sure if that is due to critters in the woods or her failing sight. I don't believe she sees well until the day is brightly lit.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/22/12 04:22 AM

Interesting these dogs of ours!

It is usually light when they wake me up, and also she is keen as mustard to go out at night so I don't think that's it. But I have no idea what It is laugh She is just my little fruitloop!
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/22/12 08:27 AM

Have you been letting her watch scary movies? lurking
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 09/23/12 05:18 AM

laugh No but she's a sneak so perhaps when I am asleep......
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 05:48 AM

Small update Miss Moo has started on Prozac frown I so hope this helps her. I have had the tablets here for a few days and REALLY haven't wanted to go down this route. I'm not sure why I am so reluctant as I take anti-depressants but it just almost feels like I've failed her.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 06:13 AM

I'm so sorry, Bianca. You should certainly not feel like a failure when you do all you can for your dogs.

I would like to suggest again that Miss Moo might benefit from the Cholodin that I mentioned previously. Skye's behavior had gotten so bizarre that it was becoming the focus of every evening, waiting for it to start around sundown. She was diagnosed with uti which I know you have ruled our for Miss Moo, but that was not the total reason for her changes.

Her condition was much improved after treatment, but in the long run it was, and is, cholodin that helps keep her normal day to day.

I hope whatever you decide for Miss Moo brings you both some relief from worry and stress.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 06:54 AM

hugging hugging hugging Moo has the most caring Mum in you, Bianca! You do everything you possibly can for your dogs. thumbup I'm so very sorry that she isn't doing better, and that a cause isn't yet found.

Might you consider the Cholodin for Molly? I remember being as puzzled as everyone else when Skye's behavior changed so radically.

Just mentioning this because.. well, just because. Perhaps a change in diet might help her. I am myself so sensitive to some preservatives and artificial additives, that it effects my sleep and mood. Honestly! confused2
I would suggest a balanced all-raw diet, but if not, then switching to a grain-free food. If she's on a grain-free food, try gently, slowly transitioning to a different one. You never know, it just might help her.

Sending you and Moo lots of support and well-wishes today! bloomrose
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 08:56 AM

I just hate to read that Miss Moo is still behaving weirdly. I mean you do have enough to worry about with Coop's hips and the specialist's recommendations. Actually, in your place I would ask Molly to share the Prozac with me.

As you know, I can't offer any knowledgeable advice. All the same, I join everybody in sending extremely positive (+++++++++++++++) thoughts that Molly is back to herself and you get an actionable plan for your black puppy.

take care,
Mary Jane
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 01:22 PM

I've been trying to think of something productive to say, but I don't have much. There are things you can experiment with, but they are all experiments. With a GSD, I *always* worry about undetermined infection that doesn't show up in bloodwork since they sometimes can't mount a defense. I am always amazed at what a great reponse older dogs have to that supplement that Bonnie is uing. I know Max had a huge response to st. John's Wort and I wish I had discovered that when he was younger.

You have way too much on your plate hugging
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/04/12 07:02 PM

I'm sorry Bianca, but please do know that you have in no way failed The Moo. If you didn't already have a mountain of poop to deal with you might have more time and thought to put into her issues. As it is, we can all only handle as much of life's curveballs as we can, and sometimes we have to just do our best and know that is good enough. If the Prozac eases her anxiety, then great! That gives you more time to focus on the other stuff you have going on. When things settle out for you, then you can re-address Molly's anxieties with a clearer head. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/05/12 06:38 AM

teary Thank you all so much, you are all so kind hugging

Bonnie, thank you again for mentioning the Cholodin. To be honest I had forgotten about that hammer I will have a look at the one and only health food shop here if not I will order that one.

I *think* it takes about 6 weeks to know whether this will work for her so I should be able to get that supplement from over there by then.

I just wish she could settle and not be on alert and panicking all the time. I want my goofy happy girl back frown
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/05/12 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca


I just wish she could settle and not be on alert and panicking all the time. I want my goofy happy girl back frown


This sounds like how my dogs behave when Don is out of town. It's so annoying!! I have to work to be compassionate for them (after the tenth time they erupt barking over the chipmunk that ran across the driveway, making me jump out of my skin)!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 06:10 AM

It is annoying!

We had to take Zane to the airport this morning so my parents came over to feed/toilet. Dad called me and said Molly was really odd, crying. He said it sounded like what Cooper does. It could be that I don't make a habit of leaving the house at 3am or something else.

I didn't give her the tablet tonight. It just isn't sitting right with me and I don't know why but will trust my instinct for now. Am about to start searching online for the cholodin now.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 06:20 AM

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Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 07:07 AM

Bonnie, do you recall how long after giving Skye the Cholodin before you noticed a difference please?

I can't find anything over here so wanted to know how many bottles I should order (to save freight).

Thank you smile
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 10:18 AM

It is hard to remember now how quickly it worked, but I know it was very fast - surprised me the difference in a short time. I think she stopped trying to climb over tha back of the couch or burrow into my lap in a day or two and most problems were done by a week.

I do know that when I stopped them for awhile her symptoms began again. I ordered a new bottle and within a day or two she was fine.

I order the 500 tablet bottle and I give her two a night - so that would last about 8 months with one dog and it is possible she would now be good with just one a day.
But I give Buddy one a day also just becuse cholodin has so many good things in it that older dogs seem to stop producing naturally.


The price has risen from $58 to $78 a bottle - but that is still less than $10 a month and I won't be without it again.

If you go to Amazon and look at the reviews for cholodin, most of them speak about dogs with cognitive dysfunction and the product has a 5 star rating - most say it works from between a few days to a week or two.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 11:19 AM

AHA - after much searching, here is the thread with Skye's problems and how fast cholodin worked:

http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/192242/16

I chose that page because it spells out the ingredients in cholodin, but if you have some time you might want to scroll through the full millions of pages of that post.


And a quick outline -

11-18-11: Jean advised to get cholodin (I owe Jean such huge thanks and me a kick in the butt for not ordering it right away!)

11-26-11: after seeming to do better on some other supplements, Skye relapses and her anxiety and odd behaviors were coming back

12-08-11: finally order cholodin and got it 12-10 or 11

12-17-11: wrote a post saying the last week had been so good I ahd almsot stopped watching for any problems. So that means that within the first most of her symptoms were gone and by the second week they were just a memory.

Bianca; there was a point where I stopped giving this to Skye (and Buddy) because I could not find the source of all the ingredients. Within weeks Skye's sad behaviors were coming back. So, based on the fact that it did her so much good, I ordered again and it worked almost immediately.

I will say that I sometimes see things in Skye that make me watch her - if I get home later than usual, she might go stand at the end of the hallway where it is dark. Or not want to go out unless I step outside the door. But that is about as bad as it gets and usually follows changes in routine. It is not often - this tells me that without the cholodin she would most likely be a wreck.


I hope that you can get this and (Amazon on the affiliate link is best price for 500) and I so much hope it helps Miss Moo.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/06/12 11:45 AM

Stopping by to say greet and thinking of you guys, and everything going on.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/07/12 03:48 AM

Thank you so very much for all that info Bonnie, I appreciate it more than I can say hugging

I particularly hope this is true for Moo - Inositol ...works to calm the brain!

I will go and order it now smile

Thank you Lisa hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/07/12 03:59 AM

Ordered and estimated delivery date Oct. 23, 2012 - Nov. 1, 2012
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/07/12 10:06 AM

Good luck that the cholodin will work. Yes - the brain stuff is what sold me and it did work for my girl.

Hang in there and hopefully Miss Moo will be happier soon!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/07/12 01:04 PM

crossedfingers
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 03:01 AM

Thank you both again hugging

She flipped out today, no idea why but Brad was sleeping so I shut the bedroom door and pout his chair in front of the door to keep all of the critters out. She was desperately trying to shove the wheelchair out the way (the brakes were on) so I also shut the hall door and she was leaping up and scratching at the handle.

She has never done that and I could not calm her down.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 07:16 AM

Oh, Bianca. hugging I am hoping that something can be done, an answer can be found. Poor, sweet Moo!m Is she well most of the time? This is still so unlike her. I just wish for an answer for her. She is such a dear, special girl, and you take wonderful care of her! Continuing good energy sent to Molly Moo from Grimmi and me. peacesign crossedfingers butterfly hugging
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 08:09 AM

I'm at a loss. imsorry

hugging Would there be any way to get an x-ray or CT scan of her brain? I wonder if there is something going on that is not just a chemical imbalance. frown
Posted by: JeanKBBMMMAAN

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 08:43 AM

Anxiety wrap/thunder shirt (or just a snug T to try it first and save money)?
Acupuncture?
Communicator? (you knew that was coming!)

Poor girly. All of us with anxiety know how crappy it is to have anxiety. If that's what this is...not sure...
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 09:06 AM

I truly hope that the suggestions you received will help Molly who also wants to feel better.

Seeing how terribly sensitive Mars is to David's moods, I imagine that the stress that everybody must feel over Cooper's hips (and before that his elbows and before that your move) can exacerbate whatever might be the root cause of her behavior. Of course, I have such a tiny and biased picture of your household, but I think everybody spends all day worrying about dog orthopedist's appointments and vet wrap-so they loom large in how I picture Molly.

Whatever is going on, I hope you all feel better soon.

Mary Jane
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/09/12 09:43 AM

Oh, goodness. I lost track of this thread. I am so sorry that Miss Moo is still so agitated! I hope that the cholodin does the trick and makes her feel better. When Chama had night terrors or whatever the heck was going on, it lasted a long time (or at least it seemed that way b/c she was waking us up every single night) and then went away. I changed her food and thought that was probably it but it must have been something about our house in Madison b/c when we moved here she never did it. shrug

I think a communicator is a good idea too. smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 04:01 AM

Thank you all hugging

She really is worrying me, something is bothering her. Her barking has escalated to the point if Coopie gets in her way, she will have a bit of a go at him. I'm stumped.

I will ask on an aussie forum about an animal communicator thank you. I think my steps will be wait for the Cholodin and try that, if that's no help, try the Prozac as I have it here, hopefully someone will know where to find the communicator and then if none of that helps, I guess I will have to look at some form of brain imagery thanks for that suggestion Leah.

In the mornings when she is inside I have to turn the tv on low for some background noise otherwise she is super alert. I was watching her this afternoon; Brad was asleep and we had just come in from gardening and Cooper promptly passed out, she was on edge and ears up (as far as hers go!) at every sound. Turned the tv on and she settled a little. Maybe this house is haunted...
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 05:33 AM

Oopps I forgot, thank you Jean re the thundershirt idea! I have tried a T-shirt a couple of times before and it didn't seem to help. But thank you smile
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 10:31 AM

Maybe there is something in/around the house that you can't hear? Some super-high frequency? But how strange that she's getting cranky with Cooper. That doesn't seem to fit (unless it's because she's just so stressed out).
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 11:03 AM

I'm so sorry that Molly is still having problems. The Thundershirt might be worth a try. It does help Heidi when she is feeling afraid/nervous. I hope you can get to the bottom of this soon. hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 01:44 PM

I am so sorry bianca.

Floating in my head...mental issues, infection issues, adrenal issues, heart issues, most of that would be a wild goose chase frown

So frustrating and feeling helpless!
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/10/12 03:29 PM

When Skye was having problems she got very cranky with Buddy, even acting like she had to guard her food from him. He has never rushed her bowl, but could not even walk nearby while she ate.

I think they get to the point where they are so stressed and confused they don't really know what is good and what is bad. It brings tears to your eyes to have a 65 pound dog trying to curl up on your lap while they are shaking like a leaf.

It is interesting that Molly calms when the TV is on - Skye began to want total quiet around her.

This is so scary - I hope their is not something neurological going on that the cholodin won't help. Will she drink chamomile tea? That is also a calmer if she will do that. (If she won't, perhaps you should sit down and have a cup. You must be so scared for her.)

http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/7_2/features/Calming-Herb-Chamomile_5607-1.html
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 03:33 AM

I think scary is a good word for it Bonnie.

Bianca hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 04:21 AM

Thank you all hugging

I think the having a go at Cooper is redirection, he is in the way...

I really have no idea but today she is going all Cujo like at passing birds, or birds way over on the lawn. Starting to froth at thr mouth. Freaky frown

Thank you so much for all the thoughts and ideas. I do have some chamomile tea here (read it is good to spray on my seedlings!) so I will go and make some strong tea now so it will be cold for in the morning. It has got to be worth a try thank you Bonnie hugging

This morning when she was busting to get into the bedroom, I thought bugger Brad and let her go in there. I assumed she would try and hide under the bed byt she just lay down on the floor.
Posted by: arycrest

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 04:42 AM

I honestly don't think this will help, but when Kelly was about 9 or 10 he started acting screwy at meal time ... I'd put down his bowl and he'd go over to it, maybe take a bite or two, maybe not, then suddenly run into the bathroom, jump in the tub and just sit there ... this happened night after night ... I called it "seeing ghosts". I finally resolved the problem by feeding the Hooligans outside (rain or shine) until he passed away a few years later. The only thing I could think of was that he was having problems with his eyesight ... he was going blind, forget what was wrong with them. Other than this he passed every test his vet could think of as to why he suddenly started acting so weird.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 08:39 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca

I really have no idea but today she is going all Cujo like at passing birds, or birds way over on the lawn. Starting to froth at thr mouth. Freaky frown


Wow, that is freaky. frown
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 09:38 AM

Bianca hugging

The only thing that I can suggest is to start a log of her behavior, with day, day time, weather conditions, medications incl flea and tick prevs given, place of behavior, description of behavior, food and supplements eaten that day, activities on that day, potential stressors at the time (situational or long term such as Cooper's health). Using your own thread here, you can also reconstruct some of the behaviors so far. And, if possible, film as much of it as you can. How long after you moved to your new home did it start?

This would be information a specialist on OCD and seizure related disorders might need. It'd be better to ask such a specialist now to make sure the log covers the information they need (the above list of factors is just a thought by me, not based on information obtained by such a specialist). Will send you pm.

I so wish for you that you and yours will get a break hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
..... Starting to froth at thr mouth. Freaky frown



I suppose foaming at the mouth could be from stress, but my uninformed gut reaction is that sounds like a physical ailment, maybe neurological.

I believe Sarah is right whatever is going on. A detailed diary will be very helpful for a vet.

I wish good thoughts would help you all, then everything would be fine.

MJ
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca

I really have no idea but today she is going all Cujo like at passing birds, or birds way over on the lawn. Starting to froth at thr mouth. Freaky frown


This is concerning, there is something we are missing.

I might try an anti-acid, like pepcid, but I am more concerned, as I know you are.
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 01:03 PM

A diary is a great idea. I don't like saying it but this is sounding more and more like something neurological. Hang in there, Bianca. hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/11/12 01:08 PM

I agree about the neuro part, that's what I was thinking. She han't been vaxed recently has she? Say, in the last 3-6 months?
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 02:10 AM

I have absolutely no suggestions even though I am reading each post. hugging I hope this is resolved soon with an easy solution.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 04:21 AM

Gayle, that was strange, poor boy frown

Thank you all once again. I will start a detailed diary as of the morning. I steeped 3 chamomile tea bags overnight so it was strong and this morning straight after her breakfast I gave her probably 1/3 cup with a bit of honey. I don't know if it is because I want to believe, but she seemed more settled in general.

I should clarify that her frothing at the mouth is only when she is nutting off at something ( birds, rubbish truck or someone walking past).

I think I am going to stick to my plan (but note everything) before I really go down the neurological route. I just can't deal with a whole lot more at the moment and the thought of my Molly having something seriously wrong is more than I can bare. Denial - yes I am good at it.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 08:09 AM

I am so glad someone suggested the diary or journal and I am sure it will help show patterns. I keep hoping the answer is there and will surface soon and will be an easy fix.

I am going to throw this out there even if it may be far fetched - could she be trying to alert to something medical going on with either you or your husband? Or even perceiving dangers that really aren't there?

I keep thinking of her at the bedroom door, trying to move the wheelchair. I believe you said that when you gave in and let her in, she just laid down quietly on the floor? Almost sounds like being frustrated that she could not be close by to protect him.

Perhaps you should write down where each of you were in relation to Molly as you keep your diary?

Just know you have many friends thinking of you. hugging
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 08:30 AM

Thinking of you and Miss Moo today. hugging hugging hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 09:40 AM

Bianca,

I found taking notes really really valuable when Wolf got sick and we were trying to track it down. Days resemble days and sometimes it's hard to be sure when a particular event happened and then what happened the next day. Any trend in Miss Moo's behavior could be important.

She's such a doll,

MJ
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 10:01 AM

Sorry I am about to go to bed and just realised I never answered about vax, Molly hasn't had any vaccinations since she was 1. I titered her last year.

I give heartworm tablets monthly, intestional wormers 3 monthly and advantix monthly.

Will reply tomorrow. Thank you so much my friends hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 11:33 AM

Indy frothed when she was young, it really worried me. Omething eventually made it go away. And then it started again when she was older and sicker than I realized at the time. It only happened on exertion. I wish I knew what made it go away when she was young. I don't know if it could have been her heart, I have thought it was more related to the regurgitation problems that later developed.

Certain worms can cause neuro problems - any signs of parasites?
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/12/12 11:37 AM

Btw, that supplement that you are waiting for doe work on the brain, and is essentially affecting the nervous system. Wish it would get there!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/13/12 03:26 AM

Thank you Lisa, nope no signs. The ones I give cover everything including hyatids (sp).

Bonnie, it is strange you say that, I have kind of half heartedly thought along those lines too.

But I don't know if it is me or Brad that she worries about. She is always more on edge when he is asleep and yet if I have a nana nap (when Brad is up) she sleeps next to me and not a peep out of her. It would make sense for her to be unsettled about him due to his condition but then if it was that, why would she be fine when he is up and I'm not? I don't know. Maybe she reads him laugh
Posted by: cassadee7

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/14/12 10:22 AM

Oh gosh Bianca, this is still going on? My heart was sad when I saw this thread still active. I have not been around reading the boards lately but remembered reading this when you first posted. Just wanted to send you hugs and prayers for your Moo. I know you must be beside yourself. I hope you find an answer soon and she starts to improve. Hugs.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 04:02 AM

Oh thank you Shawn hugging

She freaked out the other morning, shaking again frown

The Cholodin arrived today, my gosh it's a huge bottle laugh I don't have a very good sense of sense from years of working with chemicals but I opened the bottle and wow what a strong smell! Miss Molly loved it, she has had two tonight crossedfingers
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 07:06 AM

I am so glad you got your order and I hope they do the job for Miss Molly. Yes - it is a huge bottle. thumbup

Quote:
I opened the bottle and wow what a strong smell!


Yes - I always hold my breath when I open it. The 'aroma' is a little unpleasant for me. lol

I just toss two a night in Skye's food and she has always gobbled them up. Or you can put one in the morning and one at night if her odd behaviors are throughout the day.

I so hope this makes a difference - and quickly.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 07:17 AM

Here is hoping the Cholodin helps her. crossedfingers I'm so sorry she freaked the other day. I continue to hold firm thoughts of the best success in my well-wishes for Molly's improvement! crossedfingers hugging Wishing Molly to return to stability and feel well. She's such an amazing girl! I loves da Moo! wub
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 08:43 AM

I hope this helps Miss Moo crossedfingers
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 08:52 AM

Bianca,

More hopes that this works well for Moo and that you sweet girl returns to herself.

MJ
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 10:09 AM

I hope this is the trick to get Miss Molly back to feeling like herself!
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 04:32 PM

crossedfingers Hope this helps!
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/22/12 08:57 PM

Best wishes that this help - it certainly makes it easier when the patient "likes" the medication. smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 05:19 AM

Thank you all hugging

She thinks they are treats!!!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 05:54 AM

Bonnie, I'm sure you've already said this, I'm sorry, but how long until you noticed a difference in Skye?
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 07:23 AM

Skye's change was almost immediate, however I saw some lesser things for some time. I think it was about a week later that I realized I was beginning to relax becuse Skye had.

If our routine is really upset, she still shows some restlessness and goes down the hall to "hide out." But the worst of it was gone in days.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 08:24 AM

Well it has to be just because I'm looking more but twice tonight we have an ear up laugh



I did notice this afternoon that while she was watching some of the parrots on the lawn, she did just that...watch????? I think if she is generally calmer than it will be easy(ish) to notice any change. But she doesn't do the shaking/hiding thing all that often.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 08:28 AM

You just made my day, Bianca! Adorable wub Miss Moo-- and with one of her aerials up! wub I am loving her melting look as she lounges. What a GOOD girl she really is! Paws crossed that the Cholodin gradually helps and brings about peace and stability for Molly to do better and better. crossedfingers You, Bianca, are doing a wonderful job of caring for Moo and Cooper! goodjob hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 08:35 AM

Awwww thank you Patti hugging I do luff my Moo and she looks so different with an 'aerial' (love it!) up I had to share! smile
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 11:47 AM

Molly Moo wub

Okay, time will tell now, very hopeful here!
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
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Must we do pictures now? I'm trying to take a nap. laugh

____________
Here's hoping that Miss Moo will be able to relax. She certainly looks relaxed in this picture.

Love her ears.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Woodreb
Here's hoping that Miss Moo will be able to relax. She certainly looks relaxed in this picture.

Love her ears.


Me, too.
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 05:22 PM

Awww..... what a face! wub I hope this medication helps her.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 06:11 PM

We will take all the small signs of relaxing we can get and the easr up is a great one!

I hope she has the success Skye has had - it was difference between making it through a day and really enjoying life.

And the really awesome thing is that cholodin is natural ingredients, not a medication, per se.

crossedfingers
Posted by: cassadee7

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 06:48 PM

What a sweet face! I love that picture smile
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/23/12 07:19 PM

wub Moo wub
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/24/12 05:17 AM

Thank you all smile

Bonnie that is what convinced me to give this a shot (well that and your success with Skye).I don't want to say anything in case I'm convincing myself BUT (laugh) last night on one of her toileting trips outside was the first time EVER she did not go off!!!! Only once but still!

This morning she wanted to get into the bedroom so I let her and she flopped down for a while. Then we went outside and I just sat and watched her. She was watching the birds (heaps), no noise or freaking out. She only went nuts once when someone walked past with their dog but that is par for the course.

So, maybe, just maybe!!!!!
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/24/12 08:21 AM

I'm crossing everything I've got for Miss Moo-- fingers, crossedfingers toes, eyes, and boobs! C'mon Molly Moo, Grimmi and I are rooting for you! May the cholodin help ease you into stability and wellness!
Posted by: arycrest

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/24/12 10:47 AM

So far so good ... hope what sounds like success continues!!! crossedfingers
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/25/12 04:48 AM

I knew I shouldn't have said anything...back to her usual self today!
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/25/12 07:08 AM

teary I am so sorry to hear this.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/25/12 07:13 AM

** expletive deleted** I'm sorry B. Maybe it's just a temporary relapse. hugging
Posted by: arycrest

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/25/12 11:46 AM

DARN ... DARN ... DARN ... like Leah says, I hope it's just a temporary set back!!!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/26/12 02:31 AM

Maybe it just needs a bit of time to build up in her system? crossedfingers
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/26/12 02:58 AM

Thanks all, will obviously give it longer smile
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/26/12 05:26 PM

feelingblue I was so hoping this would work.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/27/12 05:41 AM

Me too Ruth but still it has only been a few days.
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 10/29/12 10:51 AM

Let's hope it was just a short relapse.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/12/12 06:15 AM

Just a small update, the last 3-4 days Molly has been freaking out again frown Shaking, and carrying on (panting). Today we were gone all day with Cooper but my parents were home with Moo and said she was frantic. Didn't want to even eat frown

My parents are only going to be with us for a few more days so I will wait until we are back into our usual routines and if she doesn't seem to be able to loose the anxiousness then I will start her on the Prozac properly this time.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/12/12 07:01 AM

Well, crap. frown
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/12/12 01:19 PM

I would worry about infection. Jazz and Mom act the same way when they have an infection, both were responsive to cipro.

I hope you can find a answer, somehow, this is heartbreaking teary
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/12/12 04:42 PM

I can only say I am so sorry. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/13/12 04:23 AM

Thank you hugging I felt sick watching her last night. She was trying to scratch the door to get into the spare room where my parents are. I had to lock her in our bedroom with Brad in the end.

The only slightly good part is when I got the Prozac from my vet it was either $60 or $80 for 28 tablets (will have to find the receipt to check). I asked the chemist today and I can get it for $12.95 plus whatever the vet charges to write a script. A bit more affordable if that is the way I have to treat her.
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/13/12 07:48 AM

Sorry to hear Moo is having problems again. Hope the Prozac works for her, poor thing.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/13/12 08:17 AM

Like so many others, I have a real soft spot for this lovely girl with the soft ears. I know that it took some time before his doctors found the right drug for my aging father's low periods. I truly hope that Molly (and you) will find the right treatment. You all deserve better.

MJ
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/13/12 08:25 AM

Here's really hoping that the Prozac is just what Molly needs. crossedfingers Whatever helps her, it maty simply take time to find the answer for her. Molly Moo is such a sweet, special girl, we are all pulling for her to feel much better! hugging
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/13/12 09:16 AM

Bianca this just stinks! I had no idea you were going through this, I missed it. I am so sorry about Molly. I know Wisc tiger had similar issues with Dee Dee, I wonder if she would have any suggestions. . .it is so hard to try and comfort a fearful mind and not being able to, really heart wrenching, and to have Coopers issues on top, it's just not fair, but you just do the best you can and hope that tomorrow is better. Hang in there.

Thinking out loud- The scratching at your parents room, do you think she just wanted in? Wanted everyone together? Just curious if she would have been calmed by opening the door and if so why? What would she have done, does she need a quiet place for just her to go?
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/19/12 09:40 AM

How's Molly been?
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Natalie559
How's Molly been?


Ditto!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 03:09 AM

Oh sorry Natalie, I didn't see your earlier post.

Thank you both for thinking of her hugging
She is now on day 7 of Prozac and we have not had any further freaking out. Whether that is the meds or not I don't know but fingers crossed smile
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 05:34 AM

crossedfingers
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 06:50 AM

I hope this is the answser - you and Miss Moo deserve better days together. hugging
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 07:03 AM

Wonderful news, hope this is the answer for you.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 07:20 AM

crossedfingers crossedfingers crossedfingers May this be just the solution for Miss Molly Moo! Bianca, paws are crossed here that Molly stays stable, happy, emotionally balanced and well! YAY for the success so far! May it continue! groovy
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 08:15 AM

crossedfingers
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 08:16 AM

Thank you all hugging

I'm just about to call it a night and looked over and saw this (relaxed or what!)

Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 08:27 AM

That's Da Moo!! rofl wub rofl Totally sweet, goofy, and happily boneless! rofl2 I *love* her!! wub
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 09:06 AM

That's too funny!! Here's to continued success!
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 10:39 AM

I really hope this is a long term solution for your sweet Moo. She really is just the cutest dog ever. wub
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 11:57 AM

crossedfingers

She looks so relaxed there. Caleb likes to lay like that, too!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 04:03 PM

LOVE the picture! So glad that the meds seem to be helping, hope that it continues! The better price really helps too.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/20/12 05:45 PM

So glad to see her so relaxed and happy!!,
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/21/12 02:36 AM

Thank you all smile LOL Patti 'boneless' rofl

She really does seem less anxious...almost 'normal'!

Lisa yes the price will help but when I called the vet the other day to arrange another bottle of previcox for Coop, the nurse thought they charge $40 to write a script???? WTH? My old vet before we moved charged $15. Will check when I go in tomorrow.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/21/12 03:05 AM

Definitely talk to the vet! You have supported him quite a bit with the issues your dogs have had, he should cut you a break.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/30/12 03:54 AM

Does anybody want to swap lives with me....please???!!!! laugh

We have had the odd thunder this afternoon so of course Moo is freaking out. They needed to go toilet before so that's fine apart from Molly would not come in. Sitting in the rain looking stupid. She looses her head when like this and will not listen to commands so I have just played chasey chasey around and around the car to catch her. Picked her up and brought her back inside.

surely someone wants to swap.....

Oh and the vet didn't charge me at all for writing a 6 months script smile
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/30/12 06:41 AM

Oh my, Miss Molly Moo-a-Lot! She's lead you on a merry chase, has she? I'm glad you got her indoors, and a thunder freak-out can be understandable for some dogs, anyway. I'm glad the vet didn't charge for the 6 month script! I'm continuing to send positive vibes and well-wishes for Molly to feel more stable and to level out with her behavior. She's such an adorable girl, and you've been through so much! Sending you and Moo good thoughts for today.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/30/12 08:26 AM

Molly Moo teary - I don't know her personally (dogally?) but a piece of my heart breaks everytime I read of her sad problems.

I am so glad she has you, Bianca. You have given her so much help - her life is better because of you. hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/30/12 11:10 AM

First, I really hope Miss Moo and Mr Coop will really get back to health, soon. They're such great dogs-so many wonderful pictures from your houses and garden-they deserve to get back to normal. It's got to be trying for you right now.

Second, thinking about thunder phobia just makes me sad. My dear Wolf had the opposite problem from Molly, he didn't want to leave his closet during storms. I would like to crawl into that closet with him again, where I just stroked him rthymically (sp?) very hard until he stopped shaking. But the time for Wolf's fears is over. (too sad, sorry).

I truly wish that Molly and you find a solution that you all can live with.

Mary Jane
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 11/30/12 11:38 PM

Sending you lots of calming vibes...got any bubble bath?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/01/12 02:46 AM

Thank you all. Mary Jane hugging I'm so sorry hugging teary

She would not eat her breakfast this morning and I thought she must just be a bit off from last night. Went to get their dinner and blow me over if the thunder hasn't started again frown So she wont eat. She's lying here shaking like a leaf. I think I may have to give her some Xanax.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/01/12 03:38 AM

She has found a new safe place frown

Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/01/12 08:32 AM

Poor little girl. frown its too bad that Cooper's non-reaction to thunder doesn't influence Molly a little. I suppose it doesn't work that way though.

Does she have a closet or something she could hide in? Tell her I don't think the wheelchair will do much to protect her from a really big lightning strike!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/01/12 05:18 PM

hugging hugging hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/02/12 04:19 AM

Thanks Leah and Lisa hugging hugging Later she went and tried to hide behind the toilet...hmm not much room there Mooey frown

I have tried to see if she wants to hide in a wardrobe or covered crate before but she wouldn't. In the end I picked her up and had her on my lap holding her tight, She settled around 9.30 pm and a bit later actually ate for the first time that day. Then she slept like a log.

I've emailed the vet to see if she can still have Xanax since she is on Prozac.

Thanks for the idea re bubblebath Ruth! smile I can just imagine trying to do that, I'm sure I would end up with both dogs in there wanting to play with the bubbles laugh I need to start drinking!
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/02/12 04:31 AM

The small female greyhound from work hides under the suspended handbasin in the bathroom too for thunder and even when it rains. It is sad to see her shaking and cowering like that. I feel for Molly and you as it is upsetting not really being able to do anything for them when they are like that - I'm glad Molly settled down in your lap. grouphug
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/03/12 04:52 AM

Thank you Alison hugging Oh the poor girl being so upset with just rain frown
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 01:50 AM

Well we just had over an hour of thunder storms so Moo was totally freaking out. This time she was clawing at the oven door??? Weird frown
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 04:40 AM

That's such a shame.
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 08:51 AM

Poor girl
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 10:30 AM

Oh, goodness, dear, poor Molly.
Bianca, please forgive me, I forgot, on what medications is she now?
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 11:22 AM

Aw. frown Basu would go in the bathtub at home and in the shower at the cottage (no bathtub). Chama would go behind the toilet (if possible).
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 01:47 PM

I always suspect some hidden infection, but, you know, you might try some extra B12. She's already on fish oil, right?
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/24/12 07:04 PM

frown hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 03:33 AM

Thanks all. I really wondered if she may have a heart attack with how fast and (prolonged) her breathing was.

Sarah no apologies at all hugging she is just on Prozac (it has been 6 weeks).

Lisa, would I need a specific B12 or would a multi B work? Yes she is on fish oil.

She has been so much better in general, no weird bouts of shaking and fear (except for storms), when she reacts on walks she seems to recover SO much faster. But her storm fear is definitely extreme now.
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 07:44 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Thanks all. I really wondered if she may have a heart attack with how fast and (prolonged) her breathing was.

This happened to a dog that Dr Karen Overall, one of the top veterinary behaviorists, writes about, her mother's dog:
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=136493

What Dr Overall recommends is giving either Alprazolam (Xanax) or benzodiazepine (BZ, Valium), given only when a storm is about to come, and given as part of a protocol when a storm is about to come. These drugs can be taken when needed and in combination with Prozac (if the dog also has general anxiety disorder). A veterinarian friend of mine also has a dog with severe storm phobia, and gives her dog Alprazolam in case of a storm. It works for her dog.

Has she already been seen by a veterinary behaviorist? There are two board certified ones in Australia: http://www.dacvb.org/resources/find/

So glad to hear she is feeling better on the Prozac! It can give such relief, both to dogs and to humans. She is a lucky dog to have you! hugging
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 09:03 AM

I wish I had some words of wisdom, but just know that I think of Miss Moo often. I wish she would find some relief from her problems.

hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca

Lisa, would I need a specific B12 or would a multi B work? Yes she is on fish oil.

I would give a GSD 1,000 mcg of the methyl form of B12. I would feel confident with more under certain circumstances, but that dose is pretty standard. I give Jazz 250 mcg.

One of the dvds I got, and have yet to watch, is Karen Overall's "from leashes to Neurons and psychopharmacology". I'm on my 3rd anxiety dvd. Trying to put a program together for jazz, and they all mention the same thing that Sarah posted about above. Combinations under certain circumstances, and not using the quick acting ones for long term, and the longer acting ones taking about 6 weeks to reach max effectiveness, and ometimes one doesn't work as well as another.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 03:04 PM

I forgot to add that I also give Jazz a low doe b complex, probably the equivalent of a b-25-ish. She has neevous ystem and muscle issues, so I'm ure that her need for those are higher.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 11:05 PM

Sarah, oh my dog I had no idea that is could happen frown That is so sad teary

Thank you so much for the link hugging I should have said that her daily medicine is Prozac but she does get Xanax at the time of storms. I have it for me so always have it here. But I had no idea that I should give it approx 2 hours before etc. I have never tried that, just give it to her when it starts hammer She usually gets 3mg. But from now on I will check the radar loop and try and get it into her early. I really like the idea of always doing the same thing (action plan). I think from now, I will take her into the spare room where there is a couch as she likes to sit next to me so I can gently squeeze her.

Thank you Bonnie hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 11:09 PM

Thank you so much Lisa, so that is the injectable form from what I read? I will have a hunt on some sites to see if I can buy it here otherwise she will need to go to the vets (The cats get a B12 injec every few months from the vet).

I have some B multis here (for me) but they absolutely stink so am not sure she will eat one even if covered in stinky sardines!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/25/12 11:28 PM

Sorry to have to ask Lisa, but would you mind having a quick look at these please? I think I would prefer to not do injections if I can blush

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/troy_b_phos?sc=9&category=120

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/COPHOSBP?sc=9&category=118

Or would I have to go with this?

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/TROYB12?sc=9&category=124

Thank you so much smile
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/26/12 12:20 AM

LOL, sometimes stinky is better for them!!

I don't know why those products have phosphorous in them, but definitely don't want to throw off the phos/calc balance. Also, we want the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is more biologically active.

I was thinking of something more like this:
http://www.evidencia-australia.com/p/111...wable-Tabs.html
Does Molly chew? Some dogs don't, so you have to look for a liquid form. I have been lucky that mine will chew these, and they seem to work.

I empty half of the contents of one of these in Jazz's meal:
http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-500-mcg-300-capsules
I had never used the capsules before, wasn't sure they would work, but it seems to. I've always used products like this for myself and the dogs: http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Methyl-B-12-1000-mcg-100-Lozenges/449 but so many of them now contain xylitol (toxic to dogs!), that it's tricky finding dog safe products.

I don't know if these prices are good or terrible for Australia:
http://www.evidencia-australia.com/s/Keyword/MethylCobalamin/SearchType/2/SortItem/1 but they are crazy! I looked online and there is not a big difference between the US and the AUS dollars, wow

I will say, I saw a difference within a few days....how long would it take for travel time if I send you some of what I have here, and save you from buying a bottle if it doesn't help?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/26/12 01:42 AM

Thank you so much Lisa, I appreciate your help smile And thank you so much for your lovely offer but it's ok I will have a look in town tomorrow (one chemist has 50% off vitamins). If they don't have the right one, I will just order the first link you suggested.

Yep prices are like that here that's why my animals are worth a stinken fortune laugh The Cholodin I ordered to try was the 500 tablet bottle and I found a home for it with a lady(from an Aussie forum)who has an elderly Westie and she reports that it has made a HUGE difference for him wub
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/26/12 04:07 AM

Well Molly must have bitten the B tablet and decided it was yucky so left half...the piglet finished it though!
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/26/12 10:17 AM

Quote:
The Cholodin I ordered to try was the 500 tablet bottle and I found a home for it with a lady(from an Aussie forum)who has an elderly Westie and she reports that it has made a HUGE difference for him


Biance, I was so disappointed the cholodin did not help Molly Moo. So much so it made me feel guilty to even read about her problems. teary

But I am happy to see it did help another dog, just as it did Skye.

I hope something is found to help Molly (and you) soon.

@ Lisa - could the sublingual B vitimins be used? The taste is not bad and would just have to squirt a dropperful into her mouth each day. Or better yet, the tiny dots you can get. They absorb quickly to get more directly into the bloodstream. I have wondered if they would benefit dogs in general - I have been using them for many years.

(lots of brands - I just found this example)

http://www.nextag.com/sublingual-dots-b12/stores-html
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/26/12 04:13 PM

Yes Bonnie, those absolutely can be used! They also have some liquid versions. Just have to be careful about the sweetener they use.

LOL, I guess getting them to take it is the other thing!

I'm really glad that the cholodin found a good home too thumbup
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/27/12 05:07 AM

Oh Bonnie, no, no, no. Please do not feel guilty hugging I am so grateful to you for suggesting it. I have no problem trying anything to help my pets out and without you, Mr Mac (the Westie) would not be doing so well! I think he is 14 and his owner cannot believe the change smile (and it was my good deed by giving it to her blush )

And now I am aware of it, I will try it again when the dogs are a bit older so again, thank you hugging

Thank you both for the ideas for the B12! I did find some today in town ($9 bargain!) so I will start her on it with breakfast smile

Thank you again for the suggestions/ideas to help smile
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 12/27/12 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca

Thank you both for the ideas for the B12! I did find some today in town ($9 bargain!) so I will start her on it with breakfast smile

thumbup

I would hope to see some kind of difference within a week maybe.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/12/13 05:09 AM

Well Miss Molly has been on the B vitamin for just over 2 weeks and she has been totally fine...dare I say even normal laugh

Today she was freaking out again frown No storms occurred/forecast and she was flipping out. Mum and Dad came by for Dad to make a ramp for Coop and while he was in the bathroom, she was squealing and just acting really strange teary

I just wish I knew how to help her.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/12/13 08:45 AM

Molly is such a wonderful dog, I'm so sorry this has been such a challenge. Anyway, two weeks of calm may be a precedent.

MJ
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/12/13 09:30 AM

First, I am happy to hear the B12 seems to be helping. Two weeks of normal is really good.

Quote:
No storms occurred/forecast and she was flipping out


Is there any chance the fires could be what set her off this time?

Did she recover quickly? If so, it could still be the Bs will do the job for her.

Miss Moo - hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/12/13 04:07 PM

Have your folks been over in the last two weeks? Was there any new construction noise?

Jut thinking that maybe we've highered her threshhold, but it's still not where it should be.

So, do you think those two weeks may have been from the B12? Do you think it helped any at all?
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/12/13 04:07 PM

Oh, also, is she taking glycoflex now?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/13/13 02:09 AM

Thank you all hugging

There are no bushfires near us so no smoke or smell. Mum and dad were here the other day so that's not unusual either frown Lisa she is on Glycoflex but not Coops Jointagen. Nothing new happened yesterday, no noises etc. She was her normal self on our morning walk.

She is still weird today. Kept on trying to get onto the bed so in the end I relented and let her sleep almost on me. Paris jumped onto the bed too and actually sat on Moo and she was so freaked she didn't seem to even realise.

I have a gate setup to the laundry/toilet/bathroom and she won't let me go in their without her.

I really don't know if the B is doing anything as her 'episodes' are so random so I can't say either way. Just getting frustrated as she is so nervy it breaks my heart to see her that scared.

ETA: now she wont come back inside after toileting. She did a long down (that I didn't ask for!) and wanted a belly rub ??? but when I said come-on inside..she bolted frown
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/13/13 05:59 AM

It is worrying where there seems to be no reason for her behaviour but we also don't have the degree of senses wrt smell and sound top to name only 2 - so there is still a possibility something is going on that you are not aware and because the other animals do not react may only be that they are not as sensitive or reactive. You definitely need a Dr Dolittle or dog communicator because you have tried just about everything else. I wish I had an answer or even a magic wand to fix her issues. hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/13/13 05:45 PM

The glycoflex has brewer's yeast I believe, which is high in B vitamins, so she is getting those. Just checking.

You can try twice the amount of B12, and test to see if the 2 weeks was a fluke or not. I do agree that *something* is triggering, mythical or real frown

I still worry about underlying infection, only because we see it over and over in GSDs, and toxins from that will affect the brain. Problem is that often there is no test for that. Just reminds me of Skye before she was treated for the uti, and jazz too.

I know how heartbreaking this is hugging
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 03:16 AM

Hi Bianca....

Sorry you are having so much trouble with Molly.... I have read this thread and may have missed it...but have you considered the use of a thunder shirt for Molly?

As you also know Im nearly finished my animal Bowen Therapay certification and I have been treating a dog here with behavioral issues. (Fear aggression). It is a work in progress, but the owner has reported the dog is much calmer and now has a higher trigger threshold and after any fearful event recovers more quickly.

Whilst Bowen works on the overall muscular structure of the animal, in a lot of the work I've done it also seems to have a significant calming effect on the nervous system.

As a last suggestion if at all possible, I would suggest you arrange a phone consult with the holistic vet in Sydney that I dealt with for Kobe. In addition to the success I've had with Kobe and her treatment for him a friend here (who actually put me onto her) has successfully treated her dachshund following Barbara's protocol (after years of trying many many different things) for thyroid issues....which incidentally has resulted in improved behaviour.

And ditto with everyone else's comments.....Molly is very lucky to have you to look after her....
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 03:50 AM

Thank you so much ladies hugging

She is almost back to normal today. Not quite right but nearly.

I will increase the B from tomorrow and see how that goes thank you.

Marie, I haven't actually tried a Thundshirt but have used tight t-shirts and tried wraps with no luck. I will keep in mind your holistic vet thank you. I hate to say it but just at the moment I am limited to what I can do as I need to save a bit more for Coopers surgery. Always something!
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 04:18 AM

Understand completely re finances....Kobe has emptied the emergency dog fund, stripped the money tree bare (and I don't think it will recover....lol) and I think we are nearly at the bottom of the so called bottomless pit....

In a perfect world, money wouldn't be an issue, but we can only do the best with what we have.

But do keep in mind the Bowen for Molly...suspect that one would be a freebie, given none of us are formally qualified yet...lol.... Hopefully that will change i(being qualified) when we have our final assessment in February.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 06:24 AM

Thank you, and I feel for you hugging

She just went odd again frown She was asleep, windows and doors shut and I have the tennis on Tv, she got up and went into the kitchen and started scratching at the oven door again. (Oven hadn't been on today either). I have given her a couple of Xanax and she has gone into the bedroom frown
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 06:50 AM

Maybe she didn't like the tennis result (the Aussie getting beaten) ....or is she like my OH is now and just wants something cooked and decent to eat.....(sorry...I always react with attempted humor when things are stressful and I know how concerned you must be about her....)

In all seriousness.....any chance once she gets in the kitchen she can see her reflection in the oven glass door and is reacting to that??. Or another thought....the sound of the tennis players as they are hitting the ball etc.... How is her eyesight and her hearing????. My eldest dog used to go absolutely off his head to the theme song from All Saints....the first couple of times it was mildly amusing to us....but the longer it went on...the worse he got with it....to the point we had to make sure the TV was on mute or else it would take him ages to settle.... he would be running around the house, barking, hackled, nervy and looking everywhere....
Posted by: arycrest

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Shepherds
...
As you also know Im nearly finished my animal Bowen Therapay certification and I have been treating a dog here with behavioral issues. (Fear aggression). It is a work in progress, but the owner has reported the dog is much calmer and now has a higher trigger threshold and after any fearful event recovers more quickly.

Whilst Bowen works on the overall muscular structure of the animal, in a lot of the work I've done it also seems to have a significant calming effect on the nervous system.
There's a vet up in the Micanopy/Gainesville FL area who gives Bowen Massage Therapy in addition to other realated types of treatments. I've had two dogs who have been given a series of the massages ... Bruiser for his thunder phobia and Ringer for Cauda Equina.

To be honest I was shocked at the results. While Bruiser will never be completely relaxed during a thunderstorm, his behavior improved 100% ... he stopped climbing up me like a cat climbs a tree, and just comes and lays down next to me.

Ringer was also helped with the Bowen Massages, kept him more comfortable.

I've always called them VooDoo Magic ... I don't know how they work, but for my guys they have worked.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 08:32 AM

Bianca, I'm so very sorry Molly went odd again. I feel for you, trying everything under the sun to help her. And yes, we all, each of us, are limited by finances to a degree, it's so understandable. You are doing everything for Moo. She is one amazing, special girl, and you are one amazing, special person to be going above and beyond for her. hugging I wish I had something new to suggest. If/when you might perhaps feel ready to try this, my sense would be, as I've mentioned before, to try acupuncture. It may not be easy to find in your area, and the expense might be more than you feel ready for. My thoughts are that while acupuncture requires many sessions at first, it very soon drops off to fewer and fewer, until the dog may need one treatment per month to benefit.

No matter what Bianca, you are doing a fantastic job of giving your all for Miss Moo. She's such a great girl. I love Da Moo!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 03:00 PM

hugging
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 04:15 PM

Bianca,

I am so sorry that sweet Miss Molly Moo is having these problems. It must be heartbreaking for you to see her like this and trying so many things and nothing seems to really be working. I will send positive and calming energy down under for both of you! hugging
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 09:28 PM

I had a client (when I was a groomer) who also did Bowens for both humans and animals - she got some great results.

ETA: She did not mention her results, her clients did as some of her clients were also mine!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/14/13 11:23 PM

Thank you all so much for understanding and all the suggestions.

Marie, LOL - I'm the same with my sense of humor! You have to laugh or cry! The oven is actually my tea towel hanger so until she scratched it off, she wouldn't have been able to see herself. She went to an ophthalmologist in the past and he found nothing wrong with her vision and when my vet here checked (not with specialist equipment though) he thought her eyes and ears were fine too. Brad had the tennis on during the day. I know what you mean though, I can't ever watch send in the dogs with the sound on! Thank you for the ideas though, I appreciate it.

I think I will contact the bowen lady after a week on the double B and see what we can try. I am at my wits end. She is off a bit today, seems fine but I went to try and have a wee nana nap blush and she would not settle. Panting hard and fast. So I gave up and came out into the living room and she settled right into her fav spot under the coffee table??

Thank you all again hugging
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/15/13 10:04 AM

Thinking of you Bianca and wishing Molly the best!
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/15/13 10:16 AM

Bianca, I'm wishing you and Molly good things. I'm so glad you may see about massage for her. You are, as I've said, an amazing owner for sweet Miss Moo. I've got fingers crossed that the massage, if you go that route, may help her, crossedfingers along with all the other excellent care you are giving her.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/15/13 10:57 AM

I just read the book Hallucinations by the neurologist Oliver Sacks. I don't think that scientists can prove that animals are capable of hallucinations, but he did write that lab rats do demonstrate behaviors that suggest they sometime see/hear things that are not there. I have to say, it really sounds like Molly is hallucinating something.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/15/13 10:59 AM

Bianca,

I think you're really casting a wide net to help Miss Moo, I just hope-truly hope that you both will find something that works. I just think of her face and melt and it must be so hard for you when she's afraid.

MJ
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/16/13 01:04 PM

I've used bowen, it really helped me with my aches and pains!

The only other thing I can think of trying is some oil of oregano, in case it's an infectious/parasitic organism, and making sure your fish oil is high in DHA.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/16/13 01:10 PM

Any chance she has roundworms?

Eta: or any other parasite? You did mention difficulty keeping weight on?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/17/13 04:04 AM

Thank you all, I appreciate the thoughts so very much hugging

Leah it's funny (not really!) you mention that as back in New Zealand I had a brand new house and when I brought Holly home, we always thought she 'saw things'. There was one lightbulb in particular that she would hackle, stand on her back legs and go off at it..it wasn't turned on. She had so many spells like that with odd things but I didn't know to research or ask much back then frown

Lisa thank you I think you mentioned the oregano before but I didn't follow up. Is that food grade or like an essential oil? I do worm them, (Cooper is disgusting sick ) but I will do it tomorrow to be sure thank you.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/17/13 07:29 AM

Bianca, I don't know if this will help or not, but I'm, just throwing this idea out there. Not sure if this has already been suggested or not. You're doing so much for her! goodjob How about putting Molly on a really good probiotic? Preferably one that's dairy-free, if possible? It's said that our immunity, and our mood, is in our gut. I'm meaning a probiotic that's more varied & concentrated than just yogurt or kiefer. A healthfood shop would have some good probiotics in their refrigerated section. I use probiotics to manage depression and anxiety and it really seems to help me. Just a thought!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/17/13 01:52 PM

I think a good probiotic I a good thought!

The oregano oil, I'm just shooting in the dark here, and it jut may be additional expene the leads to nothing frown But I'll through thi out there. This is the one I use, though sometimes I will use other brands: http://m.vitacost.com/north-american-herb-spice-oreganol-oil-of-oregano-p73 The important thing is the pure oil, and I put it in an empty gelcap. I started jazz on 2 drop twice a day. For mully I would go with 5 drops, enough to ee if it will make a difference.

Are the gums a healthy color?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/18/13 05:10 AM

Patti thank you hugging I do have some good probiotics in the fridge that I have for Cooper so will start that tomorrow! Poor girl is getting more pills than food almost laugh

Thank you again Lisa, her gums appear normal and healthy pink. I need to do another order for Coops supplements so I can justify ordering the oregano too! I will post back after I get it and see how she is.

She's been pretty good today apart from when I went to flop on the bed (in the aircon) and watch a little tennis today - she started breathing really fast again.

I just don't know what I am missing. She sleeps in our room every single night beside me (on the floor) and occassionally she will go and sleep in there during the day if Brad is in bed.

Would it be really crazy to think maybe she is worried if we are all in the bedroom during daylight???? She is the 'protective' one.
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/18/13 07:36 AM

Hi Bianca.....I also agree with Patti and Lisa. Good gut health is essential for the production of neurotransmitters as most originate from the process beginning In the gut.

That aside....here are some of my random ponderings on Molly Moo....(if its a fear/anxiety related issue)..and again some of these might have been covered in the early days...but sometimes it helps to get a fresh perspective....

Has anything bad happened to her anywhere or scared her when both you and your hubby were together?
Does her reaction always start in the same area of the house, or when you and your hubby are together or apart?
How long have you been in this house before her episodes started? Did she come to this current house as a puppy?
Is it always around the same time of day?
Or is it always the result of a certain activity you do?
Who owned the house previously and why did they sell it?
Is there any negative energy in the house (and I don't mean that in a nasty awful way....but just when times are tough and stressful as they had been for us when Kobe first got diagnosed with the liquid herbs saga etc...the stress and energy is our house was quite oppressive and as a whole the dogs reacted to that energy if you know what I mean).....dogs know and feel so much more than what we could ever hope too....
What age was she when it started...and is she neutered (and what age) and was it before or after neutering it started? Was she a nervy puppy..or rock solid as a baby?
How long did it start after Coopers arrival, what is he doing at the time she starts the behaviour, how does he react once she starts on the cycle?? I only ask that as my eldest boy is the dibber dobber in our household...especially with any puppy's we have had... I know when a puppy is up to no good as Levi will come belting into whatever room I'm in looking very nervous and upset with the there is some crap going down out there that you need to go and sort out look on his face.....

And one final suggestion is to keep a diary of Molly's behaviour.... When her behaviour starts, record the time, day, place, symptoms, food she had had prior to etc....basically any small detail that you can think of (even weather conditions, temp,who was in the house, where in the house she was, what was happening around her..etc etc)...And over time that might give you some clues....it's all too easy to forget the smaller details when there's so much going on and to record it means you can look back.

Anyway...as I said just some random thoughts from me...and my apologies if all have been previously thought of and already covered......
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/18/13 02:56 PM

I was wondering about the gums - if they are pale, that can ometimes be a parasite issue.

My concern, and it just makes me ache, is that her body is producing some kind of toxic by-products from a disease process. Many bacteria and fungi and other icky things, will produce toxins that affect the brain. I see this with mom, when her pathogenic bacteria start getting worse, then soon after she will have a uti and the culture will show something. Sommetimes it doesn't, but it's a matter of time and when you test. When this proces starts up, he gets fearful and confused.

If vet care weren't so expensive, you could afford to test and have nothing show up, which was always Max and indy's speciality.

Gut health would be an important firt step. When the OoO gets there, let me know and we'll rethink the dosage. I saw some guidelines that used higher amounts than I use, and maybe we want to make sure we go high enough to give it a good trial.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/18/13 03:15 PM

Thinking thinking lots... about making a super-happy gut flora as well as enhancing absorption of nutrients, to help maintain stability of mood. Hmmm. You know what? Along with the probiotics, you could, when you feel up to it, possibly consider adding some frozen (thawed) raw green tripe, intended for dogs. Eeeew! sick Stanky, horrificly disgusting, but I buy it in frozen patties and semi-thaw it so it doesn't stink much when Grimm gets it added to meals. It helps provide the thriving flora we want in a gut, as well as live, active enzymes to help increase bioavailability. wow You're doing so much for Moo already, but I hope this suggestion, along with the probiotics, might help, if you decide to try.
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/18/13 09:34 PM

Can you interrupt the behavior?

If not:

These episodes could be partial seizures (taking place in only parts of the brain, not the whole brain). If so, likely located in the occipital lobe (vision, if occipital lobe impaired symptoms are distorted vision/ hallucination)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_partial_seizure

If occipital lobe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occipital_lobe

Last paragraph in that entry:

"Epilepsy and the occipital lobe

Recent studies have shown that specific neurological findings have had an impact on idiopathic occipital lobe epilepsies[4] Occipital lobe seizures are triggered by a flash, or a visual image that contains multiple colors. These are called flicker stimulation (usually through TV) these seizures are referred to as photo-sensitivity seizures. Patients who have experienced occipital seizures described their seizure as seeing bright colors, and having severe blurred vision (vomiting was also apparent in some patients). Occipital seizure are triggered mainly during the day, through television, video games or any flicker stimulatory system.[5]Occipital seizures originate from an epileptic focus confined within the occipital lobes. They may be spontaneous or triggered by external visual stimuli. Occipital lobe epilepsies are etiologically idiopathic, symptomatic, or cryptogenic.[6]Symptomatic occipital seizures can start at any age, as well as any stage after or during the course of the underlying causative disorder. Idiopathic occipital epilepsy usually starts in childhood.[7] Occipital epilepsies account for approximately 5% to 10% of all epilepsies.[8]"

It has been hypothesized that migraines and seizures are closely related, and many migraines get triggered by the same things that trigger occipital lobe seizures.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 04:22 AM

Oh god I feel sick thinking it could be one of the above frown But thank you so much for the links and ideas hugging How do you test for infrequent seizures (I have deja vu now)?

Marie, thank you so much for taking the time for my Moo hugging I did start a diary but then forgot when she went so long without an episode but I will start it as of now.

Nothing bad has ever happened to her (or us) since we've had her. She has these turns at all times of the day/night but usually during the day and it doesn't seem to matter where Brad is - although in saying that, he spends a lot of time in bed.
We have moved houses and states since we have had her, she had a few weird times before we moved too.

I don't know the background of the house except it was an old farm house. The couple we brought it from moved (to the same suburb we came from would you believe!!!) and had a dog which they left with the neighbour hammer

She was spayed at 6 months and this started probably in the last 1- 11/2 years (she is 3) it happened before we brough Coop home. She was a snot as a puppy, full of confidence.

The energy in our house is usually crap to put it politely. We brought her home as a puppy only 3 months after Brad came out of the spinal unit so there has always been tension and things haven't been easy I guess.

Patti I have this I bought predominately for Coop but have given it to Moo, should I give it every few days?

http://www.carmspack.com/feed-sentials/sunday-sundae/

I can type out the ingredients if it helps?

Lisa, thank you. I just don't know what type of tests I should even look at? When do I start to think it is just 'her' and not something wrong???? frown I don't know what to do. Thank you for the help with the OoO, I ordered a.45 oz bottle (I have no idea how big that is!).

Sarah thank you. Nope I can't interrupt her at all frown It's like nothing can get through to her when she is fully freaking out. I had a look at those links thank you. Is this something that needs an MRI for testing? I just don't know where/what to do.

Man I am so sorry this is a novel, but my mind is so confused now. Am I hearing zebras when it is horses????
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 04:24 AM

Oh should add I wormed her yesterday (all wormer including Hyatid) and started her on probiotics tonight.

ETA: Patti, we cannot get any form of green tripe here- it is illegal to sell frown
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 04:46 AM

Bianca, the .45 oz bottle is small, you'll get it and think you were robbed. BUT, let's try 4 or 5 drops twice a day, on an empty stomach, and separate from the probiotics by two hours.

I am confused too bianca, and I have a hard time thinking that this is just a behaviour thing in a dog so young. Reading sarah's post - wondering if there are any tv noises going on, something high pitched in the area you can't hear, etc.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 06:42 AM

Thanks Lisa, I figured it was probably small, oh well! It's a wee while off obviously but while I think of it, will it do any harm to smear a little peanut butter on it so she eats it? She has RMB for breafast.

It is entirely possible but if Brad is in bed, the tv usually isn't on. She is super sensitive to noises = she reacts if she hears almost anything.
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 06:57 AM

Following Sarah's line of thought re epilepsy and Lisa's its not behavioral (and given the Info you provided there doesn't appear to have been anything thats happened to have triggered behavioral)....plus Shepherds being known to have a genetic predisposition to epilepsy got me thinking.

Anyway...long story short...please check out the following link and in particular the Complex Partial Seizures description.

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/FAQ.html

There is also further useful info in that link around medication, alternative therapies and the inclusion of vitamin B6.....
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 05:22 PM

Bianca, if it is indeed epilepsy with partial seizures:

Seizure meds are inexpensive, and acc to the literature, most dogs respond. I had one foster dog myself who was an epileptic, and he has been fine on the meds for years, as do the others that I watched in rescue. I would not do an MRI, unless there are plenty of funds, usually nothing can be seen. If anything diagnostic, then an EEG. Acc. to Dodman, most but not all dogs with seizures show the patterns of epilepsy in an EEG. None was done with my foster dog.
I'd take her to her vet again and discuss this possibility.

Occipital lobe seizures is a guess based on what you describe. More on the triggers for partial seizures in the occipital lobe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

In your log of her episodes, I'd include factors such as
exposure to TV, computer games (the moving dots), fluorescent lights incl. energy saving bulbs.
I doubt adorable Ms Moo goes to a disco with a disco ball!

And, if the setup of your house permits it, keep her as far away as possible from these stimuli for a week or so, with a closed door in between, relax, and see how she does.

This is something for her vet. In specialty veterinary medicine, epilepsy seems to be in the expertise of both veterinary behaviorists (especially if they have access to the apparatus for an EEG) and neurologists. But most dogs with seizures are treated by their regular vets.

I don't remember where she came from. Is there perhaps a breeder who should know whether there is epilepsy in her/his lines?

Special hugs for you and the Moo hugging
Posted by: shepnterrier

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/19/13 05:30 PM

I found this list for resources on epilepsy:
http://www.berner.org/pages/neurological_disorders/canine_epilepsy_links.php

Overwhelming for now, but at least some of the sites should be useful.

I looked for yahoo groups, and there seem to be 2 in the US and one group in the UK. They can be great or horrible, I had good experiences (FIP group, feline asthma inhaler) and one bad (feline asthma).

Lisa, perhaps add these links and the one that shepherds posted to the sticky on epilepsy/seizures?
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/20/13 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: shepnterrier

I don't remember where she came from. Is there perhaps a breeder who should know whether there is epilepsy in her/his lines?
:


Bianca....if you don't know anyone who can help with this....I can. Are you in touch with Molly's breeder and do you have a good relationship with them? Whilst it shouldn't be the case....unfortunately mention the word epilepsy (given its known genetic predisposition)....some breeders will run a mile and duck for cover.

And whilst most ethical breeders would stop breeding with any knowingly affected animal and remove them from their programs....unfortunately some will not....

Shepnterrier also had some great ideas about limiting Molly's exposure to certain things...and keep really detailed notes of when episodes occur and I'm sure you will get a much clearer picture of what is stimulating her.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/20/13 01:38 AM

Thank you Marie, that really does sound like it could be something very similar.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/20/13 01:46 AM

Sarah thank you so much. I guess I should give the extra B vitamins, probiotics and now the digestive powder a week to see if there is any difference. If not I will print out info and go to the vets and see if he agrees its a possibility.

I used to have a good relationship with her breeder but not since we've moved. I do know she never bred again. All I know of Molly's sire is he had one litter before and there were also soft eared pups in that one frown

I started a diary this morning of what she is eating, what the weather is like, her mood etc.
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/20/13 05:34 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Sarah thank you so much. I guess I should give the extra B vitamins, probiotics and now the digestive powder a week to see if there is any difference. If not I will print out info and go to the vets and see if he agrees its a possibility.

I used to have a good relationship with her breeder but not since we've moved. I do know she never bred again. All I know of Molly's sire is he had one litter before and there were also soft eared pups in that one frown

I started a diary this morning of what she is eating, what the weather is like, her mood etc.


Hi Bianca......did you get pedigree papers with Molly? If so pm me the details of the sire and the dam and I will let you know about her breeding.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/20/13 11:42 AM

Good idea about adding the links to the sticky.

Wonder if the house has a high formaldehyde (sp?) content? I would ask if you are getting more headaches, etc., but under the stress you've been in, it would be understandable!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/21/13 02:25 AM

Thank you Marie, I have her dams papers and her grand-sires only. Don't know who her sire is. The things I would have done then if I knew what I know now!

Lisa, I have almost constant headaches but that has been like that for as long as I recall. Will read up about formaldehyde.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/21/13 05:11 AM

I remember about the headaches frown

I was thinking that your house was new-ish. If not, that won't be an issue.

If you are doing the vitamin therapy, you might as well give that B complex you have also, give it a full trial. The other thought is something with the food, ince, if I recall, that was a major change after you moved. I have heard of several seizure dogs that were managed via food. It might not be true seizures, bit some weird nutrient requirement or sensitivity she has. Still curious about flashing lights or sounds.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/21/13 06:45 AM

Thank you Lisa, nope our house is old.

Ok back to the stinky huge multi B tomorrow night lol! I am running out of room on my kitchen bench for all their potions! Dad wanted to build me a partial shelf in the cupboard below but then I'd forget them!

Yes before we moved she was on 100% raw, now on 50%. They are both on Canidae (grain free) dry but she only gets 2/3 - 3/4 of a Cup with dinner. I actually said to Brad today that next week I will buy a small bag of something else to mix in (to switch totally) as they both burp an awful lot. There isn't a heck of a lot to choose from here though.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/25/13 01:13 PM

Well Miss Moo has been fine apart from the last half hour 4.30am, poor girl massive thunderstorm right above us.



Have given her 2 x Xanax and we have assummed her safe spot on the couch.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/25/13 02:48 PM

Sorry you're up in the middle of the night dealing with poor Molly's storm terrors (sorry for Molly, also, of course). Your weather map is really cool, I love the place names: Seaspray, Mt Useful, Balook smile.

I hope it clears up by sunrise,
MJ
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/26/13 04:17 AM

Thank you Mary Jane hugging Unfortunately it has bee rumbling all day frown We desperately need the rain but yeah not a lot of fun for Moo. One of the claps was so loud even Coop jumped!

This is now!


And yes some of the names are really cool smile
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/26/13 04:49 AM

Poor Miss Molly! I am hoping for quieter storms for you...

Jazz's anxiety wass terribly aggravated when I was trying a nit of kibble each day. Extremely noticeable. Maybe playing around with the food might make a difference.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/26/13 06:15 AM

Sorry Miss Moo is still having problems - we don't have any storms here today but Australia Day fireworks are making quite a few dogs howl. Hugs to you and the Moo!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/27/13 01:40 AM

Thank you Lisa hugging I am going to buy (if I can find anything decent) a small bag on Tuesday. They get Canidae grain free at the moment with raw. I don't want to start Molly on anything new yet though as if something works I wont know what it is (B 12, Multi B, probiotics, digestive enzymes, and when it gets here the OoO) so many new things she is on.

I would love to go back to feeding 100% raw but to get the variety I would be spending approx $50-$65 a week. I can't afford that.

Thanks Alison hugging She was so wiped out by the day that last night during the tennis when they had the fireworks in Melbourne, I didn't have to mute the tv!!!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/27/13 03:30 AM

I understand completely about the food! I sure hope that somehow you stumble over something that will work.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/27/13 05:34 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
... She was so wiped out by the day that last night during the tennis when they had the fireworks in Melbourne, I didn't have to mute the tv!!!


This may be totally off the wall and I know it was stress that wiped Molly out but is it possible that she needs a lot more exercise than she is getting? I know it is probably not going to be possible with all you have going on but now she does not have access to that beautiful beach you had before would it be possible to take her bike riding or do some ball chasing or something (???) to wipe her out physically.

I have a friend who has had three Border Collies (mostly two at a time) while I have known her and the middle one was from a farm (where he really belonged) and has some issues with nerves due to not having enough of an outlet for his energy requirements - he's a lovely dog but obsessive and nervous. Anyway, as I said, probably not relevant to Molly but I thought I'd add it to the thought pile! hugging
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/27/13 10:31 PM

Just wanted you to know that I am thinking about you and the adorable, sweet Miss Molly Moo and sending many calming thoughts her way...and hoping you are getting more sleep! hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/28/13 05:40 AM

Thank you so much Lisa, Alison and Ruth hugging I appreciate your thoughts so much.

Alison, she probably could go a bit more? Currently she gets a 5km walk in the morning, around 30 minutes of fetch early afternoon (we have an acre so this is with the chuck-it - off leash). And I try and get her out for an afternoon walk too although sometimes it's not possible. I do take her swimming at the lake when it's hot enough although this is on a long line (no off leash here).

I've just re-started riding my bike (I'm a total novice) so when I get my confidence up a bit I will bring her along again. I have an attachment that I used to bike her with.

There's just not enough hours in the day and I feel so guilty for poor Coop as he throws a total tanty when I take Moo out frown I took them both to my parents today and he jumped out of the boot while I was getting his ramp out teary
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/28/13 07:37 AM

Hey Bianca imsorry, I was not saying you are not doing enough! hugging The BC Toby's owner did/does heaps with him too it is just that some dogs (like him) need more than any owner can possible give. I would love there to be a quick fix and what I suggested was not a quick fix just a thought because something mentioned reminded me of Toby.

Sorry, I did not mean to add anything extra for you to do, I just thought if you thought it was a possibility then there might be a way to test for it and if it is part of the problem it might just have to be accepted as part of her and worked around as much as possible. You are currently trying so many things that it must be exhausting for you as it is so I would never intentionally burden you with more.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/28/13 07:50 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
....

There's just not enough hours in the day and I feel so guilty for poor Coop as he throws a total tanty when I take Moo out frown I took them both to my parents today and he jumped out of the boot while I was getting his ramp out teary


hugging I forgot to comment on this - is he okay? Shit happens and there is a lot worse that could have happened - at least he is feeling good enough in himself that he wants to do these things, better than just laying down and doing nothing which while easier to cope with would be sadder. Imagine after the surgery and he is all better he will be even more of a livewire - I bet you are looking forward to that??? crazy Take care of yourself, sweetie, things will work out. hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/28/13 09:18 AM

I wish it helped, but everybody here loves Molly and Cooper and hurts along with you right now. Cooper is such a adorable soul and to practically be on bed rest must be VERY trying for the whole family. Coop has a very long road ahead of him and that can't be out of your thoughts often and it's almost too much to bear that Molly is a little wacko. I hold out hope that they are basically strong dogs with impeccable care and that will (eventually) add up to improvement.

Mary Jane
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/28/13 09:28 AM

Bianca, I'm sorry Coop hopped out before you could get his ramp set up. How's he doing? I wish Molly felt better, for your sake as well as hers-- because you love her with all of your heart. You ask for solutions, you try every idea that you can for her. I am wishing Molly, Coopie, and you only smooth sailing and stability from here on out. I wish I had ideas, but I don't. You are keeping on top of Molly's issues and trying everything that you can. hugging goodjob I'm wishing you, Moo, and Cooper an easy day today! peacesign
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/29/13 04:15 AM

Oh no Alison, I didn't take it that way at all hugging hugging I will get her running along side my bike soonish!

Thank you so much and Mary Jane and Patti hugging hugging

Coop jumped out so darn quick I didn't have time to drop the ramp and try to catch him. His right leg collapsed under him when he landed and he went over squealing teary My heart was in my throat. But within a few minutes of being inside Mums house, he was trotting along with Molly. Their house is really long - 30 metres so they act like it's a racetrack laugh

Not to de-rail Moo's thread but thank you for asking after my baby doofus. I emailed the surgeon last week to try and set a date and he is still on holidays but replied that he will call me this week. I don't think I can do any more to build up his muscle mass. He needs the surgery now.

Thanks again my friends, we appreciate it hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/29/13 10:40 PM

I bought a ramp for Max, but he used to hurt himself trying to avoid it shocked so I undertand Coop!

It would be helpful if you could try to train him on it though, in preparation for the surgery. First with it laying flat on the floor, and then slowly rising one end. For Max I would just help scoop him up from behind his legs and didn't use the ramp (am going to make an agility piece for jazz smile ), but I'm not sure that would be good after a hip surgery.

Anyway, thinking of miss moo! Always!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/30/13 02:13 AM

Thank you so much Lisa hugging I have been trying to get him used to it...nothing like plonking treats along it! Yes it did remind me of training Moo at agility too! What you were doing is what I have always done and sometimes he would squeal and I assumed (wrongly - before diagnosis) that I had squashed his boy bits blush

So far she is back to her normal again. It makes me laugh though as Cooper I am sure is a black Lab with pricked ears - he will eat ANYTHING...but their Sunday Sundae he hates it. It's so funny to see the pathetic look on his face when I won't let him leave his bowl until he eats laugh Moo thinks it's delish thanks very much smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/30/13 03:57 AM

Oh I forgot to say, the only types of food I can buy here are Canidae( which they are on), Royal Canin, Iams, Science Diet and some working dog brands (cheapish) from the stockfeed shop. I pay $128 for a 13.6 KG bag now so I will have a look on-line and see how much delivery is.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/30/13 11:24 AM

Outrageous cost! When indy was a pup, the only really good food was Innova, Canidae came out later. Of course I tried Innova and it caused a flair of pancreatitis shocked
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/31/13 02:04 AM

That would be typical wouldn't it! I really am not sure what to do, their 'output' is fine, Mollys coat is lovely, Coopers is okish but the burping to me indicates something is not right.

I think I can try Taste Of The Wild for about the same price with shipping so I think I will order a small bag and mix it and see how they go. I looked through so many threads on an Aussie forum and a lot (heaps) of people seem to use some of the grainstore working dog food. But they are all full of grains and that's not good is it? Cancer risks etc? If only I gave this much thought to what I eat laugh
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/31/13 05:51 AM

Well Bianca, you can always eat the brand that the dogs don't!! poke
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/31/13 05:58 AM

Hi Bianca... Good to hear the Molly has settled a bit for now....and I hope you gave Coop a talking to for scaring you like that.

Food is difficult isn't it. I bought some TOTW for Kobe to replace the dry I ruined with the liquid herbs...he didn't like the salmon one but will eat the Bison one.

I also know what you mean, I feed a fairly decent dry food to my others as a base, I have noticed its expensive feeding Kobe all meat and veggies....given the meat volume needed to maintain his weight. I also am reluctant to use any RMB's with the tumour he has. Owning a large breed dog has its drawback sometimes......much cheaper to feed the little ones....
Posted by: cassadee7

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 01/31/13 05:05 PM

I don't really have anything to add, but wanted you to know I stopped by (haven't been reading forums much) to catch up on Miss Moo. I am sorry it's still a struggle, but hope you can find an answer!
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/01/13 02:45 AM

I don't think there is a good answer frown I have never been lucky with any kibble, so I'm really no help. I would go with the freshest that you can get, since older kibble is more likely to grow stuff in it. (Thinking about shipping I guess....)

Grains....while canidae is grainless, it probably is high starch because it contains potatoes. If you can find a food that has similar amount of meat content, but, say, is rice based, that may be just as good, sometimes better, depending on the dog. To me, the important thing isn't so much that it is grain free, but that it has the most meat content, which tends to occur in grain free versions. However, I have never found a feed store food that has high meat content.....so, you are probably stuck, and even more frustrating since she seems to be doing so well, and you really don't want to rock the boat when things are working!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/01/13 03:17 AM

LOL Alison rofl

Thank you all I appreciate it hugging

I have no idea what to do about food and now my head isn't in it due to Coops upcoming surgery (will update his thread).
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/01/13 11:11 AM

Considering how well she is doing on the food overall, and what you will be managing with Copper, I think I would be very hesitant to start messing with the food. My only preference for a trial would be no kibble for a seizure dog, but that's not an option, understandably so! Living on an island is incredibly expensive!

I hope that she maintains hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/02/13 01:48 AM

Thank you Lisa hugging I think I will leave everything as is for now.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/11/13 03:40 AM

Well the oil of oregano arrived today ; the worlds smallest bottle with the worlds biggest bottle of fillable capsules laugh I ordered 1000, maybe a few too many!
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/11/13 02:46 PM

You can take it yourself--it's great for allergies, colds, etc. I take some every day.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/11/13 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca
.... the worlds smallest bottle with the worlds biggest bottle of fillable capsules laugh ....


rofl Nice description smile

I'm hoping that *something* works....
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 02:05 AM

Thank you Ruth! That's the thing my dogs have all these supplements and I neglect to look after myself!

You were right Lisa, I did feel a little ripped off with the size I ordered...but the monstrous capsule bottle made me laugh!

When I charge my flash batteries up, I will take a pic of my benchtop now laugh
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 06:04 AM

I think I have a wee problem collecting supplements rofl I need a bigger kitchen!

Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 06:13 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
I think I have a wee problem collecting supplements rofl I need a bigger kitchen!




Ha ha ha ha...... I think I could compete with that..... I used to have a small corner of my pantry allocated for dog stuff.... No it's the whole shelf....plus the not for day to day use stuff has been moved into another cupboard....

The things we do.....
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 06:22 AM

rofl exactly! I have a tall cupboard for all the wormers, creams, potions, Coops boots etc too! It's crazy!
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 09:00 AM

And my DH thinks that our guys have a lot of supplements. I don't think they've 1/10th of that!
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 10:55 AM

This would make a good picture thread. Maybe it would inspire me to clean out my cabinet too...I have 3 entire shelves of animal and human supplements and related stuff. blush
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/12/13 05:05 PM

You need some handy person to built you a little (okay a big one) cabinet for all that stuff!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/13/13 02:55 AM

LOL this is only the stuff that is used daily (or nearly)! But Miss Moo says thank you all for keeping her in your thoughts....(complete with foamy dribble on her chinny chin chin laugh )

Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/13/13 11:52 AM

awwww, the moo wub
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 02:37 AM

Thank you Natalie smile
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 03:30 AM

Mwah!!!! I don't know how you get anything done.... I would be just wasting time all day smooching her gorgeous face.
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 04:59 AM

wub She looks so sweet in that photo!
Posted by: LukesMom

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 12:51 PM

Miss Moo is adorable. wub She looks worried in that picture.
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 03:09 PM

Miss Moo is definitely adorable! What a face! wub
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 05:27 PM

Kissed my iPad again. Couldn't help it, Moo is such a sweetie!!
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/14/13 06:16 PM

Quote:
Kissed my iPad again. Couldn't help it, Moo is such a sweetie!!


spitcoffee

Yes, she does look kissable. I would love to cuddle up with her myself, but I can't get my arms around my desk top.

Hope she is doing well.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/15/13 02:12 AM

Awwww thank you all so much! I'm glad you all see the beauty that I do! rofl Leah! Classic!!!! She does usually look worried - I think she's always expecting the big black lump to annoy her!
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/20/13 08:32 AM

Bianca, I am catching up here.......

I did not realize Moo's thread was still pretty active ad my post counter has been screwy. I just read about 10 pages of posts to catch up.

So sorry she is still having problems, I hope it is not seizures but that would at least be an answer that might be treatable. With Cooper having surgery next week you really need a break.

Had to chuckle at all the supplements. I only have one drawer full. You sure have me beat.
Posted by: JeanKBBMMMAAN

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/20/13 10:40 AM

She is one of the sweetest faced dogs I've ever seen.

I wonder - is it possible that all her potions laugh are combining to do something weird to her? I know in humans, you get people going in to the doctor on dozens of meds, and they start taking them away with improvement. I realize they are "only" supplements, but like my vet says 1 molecule in a med does what is intended, then you've got the rest doing whatever else. Maybe? I think of myself, Vitamin D - toxic, and it's not supposed to be like that, but... shrug I don't know. I know it's hard dealing with chronic anything, for all involved. Your plate is as full as your supp cabinet!
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/20/13 01:23 PM

She almost looks like she's asking you, "Is it okay, Mom, is it okay?" as though she's very uncertain of something. But she has the sweetest face I wouldn't have a problem giving her a hug, a kiss, and assurance that EVERYTHING will always be okay as long as you're around, baby girl.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/21/13 05:29 AM

Thank you so much Kathy, Jean and Diane hugging She does have the sweetest face wub

Jean that is funny (?) you mention that as I have been wondering that too! Since the weekend I have stopped all of Coopers supplements with the exception of the Glycoflex (and of course his Previcox) prior to surgery. So when I did that I thought sod it and since then Moo has only been getting her Prozac - nothing else.

I want to see if there is any change although regardless I will still give her fish oil, vit c after a few weeks.

So on Monday we had some thunder - she was freaking out but I only gave her 1 Xanax (usually 2) and we sat in our spot on the couch. She came right reasonably soon after the weather changed.

Today it was REALLY windy and she hates that. She was flipping out like it was thunder frown I had to go out later and when I came home she (they) had gotten into the laundry (Cooper eats the cats food) but one of the large cupboard doors was open and there were sheets on the floor???? So I didn't give her anything but we went to our spots on the couch and she calmed down enough to sleep.

My poor girl frown I'm so lost but will persevere for a bit longer with no additions and she how she fairs.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/21/13 12:50 PM

So look, let's concentrate on calm beautiful weather for you and Miss Moo.

If you want to see how Molly behaves without treatment it may take those few weeks before she completely metabolizes any medications she's been taking and is 'drug-free'.

take care,
MJ
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/21/13 12:53 PM

Aw, I'm so sorry that the most adorable dog in the world is still having so much trouble. Hugs to both of you!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 01:16 AM

Thank you so much Mary Jane hugging Windy as all heck today but so far she is okish. (I think I moved us to the equivalent of Windy Wellington - where I'm from). I was thinking a full two weeks as a trial?

Aw thank you Ruth! That is so sweet of you hugging

I do wonder a little whether she is picking up on a lot of my emotions too/ Brad and I decided to end it all yesterday so I'm sure she is so intuitive she can read me like a book.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 06:32 AM

Miss Moo may very well be picking up on your emotions right now.

I am always concerned about Moo, but today my hugs are for you. hugging I am sorry you are going through difficult times.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 06:58 AM

Bianca, I am so sorry! hugging
Posted by: JeanKBBMMMAAN

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 08:33 AM

Oh my hugging I am sorry.
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 08:50 AM

Oh Bianca, I'm so sorry to read about your continued troubles. Bad things in sets of 3 as the tale goes so after Coopers surgery you are definitely going to be on the up swing. Things will improve, it just takes time and the will to get to the other side. Hugs to you and the dogs.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 11:42 AM

Bianca,

In all your concern and action for your wonderful dogs, I hope you leave some energy to take care of yourself. You're always thinking about other people and their dogs here, you do deserve some attention yourself.

We'll be here next week to worry productively about Cooper.

Mary Jane
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 11:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Bianca,

In all your concern and action for your wonderful dogs, I hope you leave some energy to take care of yourself. You're always thinking about other people and their dogs here, you do deserve some attention yourself.

We'll be here next week to worry productively about Cooper.

Mary Jane


I agree. Please take care of yrouself, too. hugging
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/22/13 12:03 PM

I'm sorry, Bianca. Sending all good thoughts your way. hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/23/13 12:44 AM

bianca hugging

she may have been picking up on things before this too...for a long time before my ex and I split, Max had started growling at him for odd things, and generally didn't like him that much. Dogs can be so smart.....

We are here for you.... hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/23/13 02:14 AM

grouphug teary
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/23/13 05:00 AM

Yep, dogs are way smarter than us in some respects and I always take notice if one my lot takes objection to anyone (it doesn't happen very often, but when it has, they haven't been wrong). And they pick up so much on how we are feeling and what is going on around them.

I sincerely hope you find some peace soon Bianca and as others have said you need to make sure you look after yourself so you can continue to look after Cooper and Molly in the style they have become accustomed too.
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/23/13 02:28 PM

Bianca, I'm so sorry for what you're going through and will be going through in the future. Focus on Miss Moo for now, worry about the rest of it later. *hugs to you..been there, done that, got the t-shirt*
Posted by: cassadee7

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/23/13 11:33 PM

So sorry for all you are going through, Bianca. I hope things start to look up soon. Miss Moo is so cute. Love the picture!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/24/13 01:10 AM

Thank you so much kind ladies hugging I really appreciate it.

LOL Diane, I have a couple of the t-shirts...you would of thought I should have learnt by now frown
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/24/13 03:06 AM

You're a caretaker, Bianca. So now it's time to start taking care of yourself. That's a lot harder than it sounds! (Speaking from one caretaker to another). hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/25/13 01:20 AM

Thank you so much Ruth hugging I hope things have settled a bit for you too hugging

I just need to get through this surgery with Coop first and then I'll start to worry about me.
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/25/13 06:37 PM

I'm so sorry for everything you're going through, Bianca. You and your fur-kids all have a huge support system on the forum who are here for you in heart and spirit.

Hang in there--it WILL get better in time. Although the end of a relationship is extremely painful and stressful, it often results in less stress (and more peace of mind and happiness) in the long run. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/26/13 02:12 AM

Awww Karin, thank you hugging We are having the real estate agent come on Thursday as I think I should paint the outside of the house but he seems to think maybe not.
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/26/13 02:06 PM

I really hope things get better for you.

Cooper will recover from his surgery, Molly will learn to calm in the face of the storm, and Bianca's heart will heal. hugging
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/26/13 02:45 PM

Bianca, I'm so sorry. hugging I'm sending you strength vibes right now. We are surrounding you with support as you go through this. grouphug Gently forward for Cooper's surgery and recovery. Gently forward for Bianca to heal and feel stronger. Gently forward as Molly picks up on your emerging strength and adds it to her own. We'll all be here, sweet lady. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/27/13 02:48 AM

Oh Kathy and Patti teary Thank you so much. I really don't know what I would do without my Home family hugging I'm a wreck today, was so worried about Coop and now I have to start sorting the house out so it looks respectable for tomorrow..it's really hitting home now frown
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/27/13 07:22 AM

How overwhelming this all must feel to you. hugging I wish so much wasn't on your plate right now. I am hoping that in the midst of your stress, that you are taking good care of yourself. Please be extra good to yourself right now. I envision a future for you, Molly and Coopie that is full of hope, strength, stability, and positive opportunities just waiting for you. peacesign I'm continuing to send you and both dogs my very best healing and strength vibes as you come through this. hugging hugging hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/27/13 09:48 AM

We've seen your house, it looks respectable. smile


You do have the strength to get through all of this. I believe that you have the strength because you have important things to get on with in your life.

I wish I could help put things in even better order-that's one thing you still can't do remotely.

take care,
MJ
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/27/13 02:02 PM

You know I'm sure that we're all here backing you up. If affection and friendship helps in any way, you have plenty of that from your 'family' here.

Take time to rest, eat well, and sleep soundly. Here's hoping the realtor likes everything he/she sees and doesn't require any more work from you.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/28/13 04:06 AM

Thank you Patti, Mary Jane and Diane hugging I love my 'family' here, in fact you were the first people I told teary

Well we have the house on the market frown I had so many plans for it and particulary the acre. But anywhoo it is done. It's been raining here for 2 days (first time in months) so I said I will call him next week when I can mow and weed etc to take pics and put the signs up.

The last 2 months the ladies from the street have invited me for their once a month morning tea, so I had better tell a couple of them before the sign goes up! The neighbourhood gossip machine will go into overdrive otherwise laugh

He also said it is not worth me repainting the outside of the house. The market is slow but hopefully the price and size of the land will help get some interest.

I'm doing okish, have my moments and my panic attacks have increased so upping my meds. But this too shall pass. hugging
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/28/13 07:41 AM

This sounds promising with the realtor. To help a bit with processing everything, could you walk Molly more? Leash walks really help diffuse my anxiety, even when it's gone into overdrive. Somehow, walking Grimm helps to restore my perspective on whatever situation is upsetting me. I'm still beaming strength and peace vibes to you, Bianca, and I have no doubt that sweet Miss Molly Moo will pick up on you feeling stronger soon, too. peacesign hugging bloomrose
Posted by: Barb E

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 02/28/13 09:30 AM

Everyone has said it so well so I'm just going to throw many huggings your way
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/01/13 03:44 AM

I hope it sells quickly and you will be able to move on soon.

hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/01/13 05:12 AM

Thank you so much Patti, Barb and Lisa hugging

Patti I probably should be walking Moo more but it's a vicious cycle, I'm so depressed I don't want to do anything, some days it's all I can do to have a shower. And yet I know that exercise helps with depression. Grrrrr

Brad said today he's not even sure we are doing the right thing hammer and then a few hours later proceeds to tell me that MY camera will be his. I give up, can't be bothered with all the petty divisions.
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/01/13 07:08 AM

Bianca, I have wanted to ask you all kinds of questions about your breakup but don't feel like it is any of my business. But I am very concerned for you. hugging
Posted by: DnP

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/01/13 07:23 AM

Oh Bianca. I don't post much on your threads on Coop and Molly, but I have been reading them and keeping up on everything. I so admire all you have done and are doing for them and it about broke my heart to read about your impending split with Brad. I have no great words of wisdom but just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you guys.

hugging for Molly

hugging for Cooper

hugging hugging for YOU!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 08:54 AM

Thank you so much Leah and Diana hugging hugging

Leah you can ask anything you like although I may have to pm you some answers...he mentioned using a lawyer who years ago completely shafted his mother in her divorce...nice and classy hey frown
Posted by: Good_Karma

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 11:45 AM

Oh, I am sorry that your split isn't "friendly" if there is such a thing. frown

Don and I both were wondering about your animals. Will you take them all? I know that Cooper was technically Brad's dog but I don't see how it is terribly practical for him to provide Cooper's care, at least right now. I was under the impression that you were primary caretaker of all your pets.

Do you have a place to live lined up for yourself? If you weren't half a world away I would take you and your menagerie in!! hugging
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 02:54 PM

I am also in the corner of worry (that sounds weird, but I know you know what it means!). Having been through this recently, only his lawyer (and him) were not so bright, more frustrating than anything.

Anyway, thinking about you.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 04:11 PM

hugging hugging

I will keep all the animals! Even though last night he said oh maybe I will take Cooper. Over my dead body.
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 05:15 PM

Bianca,

In NY you can use a mediator for an uncontested divorce. It's a lawyer who does not represent either person but instead looks for an equitable division of assets. Obviously, I have no idea if you have anything like that, but it eliminates the notion of the couple as adversaries.

take care of your whole family,

MJ
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/02/13 08:34 PM

Bianca, Do you have a lawyer of your own yet? Do not get talked into using the same lawyer your husband has chosen. Its important that you overcome any depression you may be feeling and get one soon if he has one already. I have to assume this must have come as no surprise to youor was it?

One thing I did when I was negotiating my divorce distributions was to sit down with a pad and pencil and go through the things I could not part with. Then I scratched off half of them until I reached a point where I drew a line in the sand, so to speak. I wouldnt give up anything behind that line. I was willing to negotiate with the rest but what was behind the line was non-negotiable. For example, my house (and it was MY house even though his name was on the deed and it cost me refinancing my mortgage to buy him out) was not negotiable. But my Victorian couch (reluctantly) was up for grabs if he was willing to give up something for it.

The line in the sand took some thinking but it worked. Whenever we reached a stalemate because he was crossing that line with demands he knew I wasnt going to consider but he just wanted to make my life miserable with, I simply got up and left. When he was ready to stop being a pain in the butt, wed sit down again to talk. You will need to do that with you critter babies. And finances (dont let him or his lawyer talk you out of income). And your camera, too. *grins*

Im not trying to be too practical and too little empathetic but Im worried about you, girl. Im sure youre feeling really down right now. Wallow in it for a bit (no more than a few days to a week) and then get off your duff and start taking care of yourself.

This is your momma speaking.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/03/13 04:04 AM

Thank you so much Mary Jand and Momma Diane hugging you are all so kind hearted and I appreciate it more than words can describe.

I have a lawyer I have already seen (a couple of weeks ago) so that part is sorted. Diane this was my decision, I just can't live like this anymore and for the most part he agrees.

I'm really not going to worry too much about who gets what, we will both take what we had when we came into this. Anything after that (my camera lol) can be sorted or replaced if needed. As to the critters, the only one he has any claim to is Coop and I know he was just winding me up. All four will go with me. There is no option.

I've had major depression and other mental health issues for over 10 years now so this isn't anything new and by that I mean I will come out the other side again. Been there done this before laugh After all, my critters need me, nobody else could put up with them!

Thank you all again, I can't believe I have side-tracked my own thread! Miss Moo is doing Ok, she is a little unsettled I think due to be seperated from Coops.
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/04/13 01:12 PM

Bianca I don't think I even realized you were married, that makes it harder for sure. Hugs to you. hugging
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/04/13 01:41 PM

Quote:
As to the critters, the only one he has any claim to is Coop and I know he was just winding me up. All four will go with me. There is no option.


So you see, THERE is your line in the sand. You do have one. *smiles*

It was also my choice when I divorced my ex so it's not always the guy romping off with his 20 year old cutie. But it does take a lot of courage, especially when we're older. I wish you good luck. Too bad you're half a world away. Would love to offer you my kitchen table, a cup of coffee and a lot of chatting. You could probably use it about now.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/05/13 02:08 AM

hugging hugging I would dearly love that Diane, even the thought of it has put a smile on my face so thank you smile

Oh yes I certainly do have a line regarding the monsters....although after last night I was ready to walk out the door with just my Moo laugh
Posted by: Charlotte

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/05/13 10:13 AM

I completely missed this thread. confused

hugging to you and Miss Moo.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/06/13 02:51 AM

Thank you Charlotte hugging

Well it's been nearly 2 weeks I think with Moo only on Prozac and she has been really good! Could be pure coincidence, I'm not sure. She is being a little neglected though and hates not being able to sleep in my room (I've got Coops in there and don't want her to encourage him to jump on the bed).
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/07/13 05:29 AM

I am wondering if circumstances changing have affected her.

What have you stopped?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/07/13 06:18 AM

Thanks Lisa, I have stopped everything apart from the prozac and glycoflex. So at the moment no fish oil, vit C, vit B12, vit E, OoO, multi B (I think that was all). I suspect she is picking up on my emotions or it's just luck she hasn't had a freak out episode yet.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/07/13 11:53 AM

Well, she was having the episodes before all the B's and the OoO, which leaves the fish oil, E, C, or just plain luck. I don't think those things would interefere with the prozac?

I would have had glycoflex a a culprit. Molly is just unique wub
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 03/08/13 02:11 AM

LOL she is unique and that is a lovely way of describing her thank you wub
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/10/13 08:10 AM

How are you and Molly Moo doing? (Seems its been all about the black pony of late...so just thought I'd drop in and see how the girls are) smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 05:40 AM

Awwww hugging thank you so much! Lol I still crack up about the black pony! Moo is doing really well. I started to think maybe she was 'depressed' since we've moved but I actually think she is just super relaxed! At home she was constantly on guard/alert and would nut off at anyone going past. Here at my parents we are really in the country so no neighbours and she has only barked a handful of times!

So I asked the vet yesterday how to wean her off prozac. I am giving her 1 every second day and tapering off. Fingers crossed at least one of us can be off the meds!

Thanks again hugging
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 08:40 AM

crossedfingers that Miss Moo continues to do well. Maybe your change has been a stress relief for her, too.
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 09:50 AM

Oh my goodness, how great if this move helps all of you relax. Good for Miss Moo!

Perhaps the combination of a quieter setting and less tension in the home will be her "fix."

hugging
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 10:36 AM

That is so great! I hope this does the trick for the silly, sweet Miss Moo! What does she think of the farm animals?
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 10:57 AM

Glad she's doing well Bianca!
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 11:30 AM

Miss Moo is just some natural empath who was reading and feeling stress from the family situation not to mention Cooper's surgery and restrictions.

Between your move and Cooper's good report, maybe you can all breathe a little easier.

I hope so,
Mary Jane

ETA
I do remember that she was acting weird before the events took place, but Bianca's discomfort in the situation and Cooper's pain must have been there.
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/11/13 12:10 PM

Glad to here Miss Moo is doing so well. Hope you can end the meds.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/12/13 03:35 AM

I am so pleased the she is doing better, what a huge relief.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/12/13 03:57 AM

Thank you all so much hugging I know it's early days yet but even my parents have commented that she is almost a different dog!

Ruth she is fascinated by the horses across the hill, she sits QUIETLY laugh and watches them! The neighbouring cows she is fine with but on our walk this afternoon, she went cujo at some cows along the road?????
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/12/13 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Thank you all so much hugging I know it's early days yet but even my parents have commented that she is almost a different dog!

Ruth she is fascinated by the horses across the hill, she sits QUIETLY laugh and watches them! The neighbouring cows she is fine with but on our walk this afternoon, she went cujo at some cows along the road?????


Were the cows really close to the road or farther away? My old boy Max used to bark at cows that he saw in the distance and I'm partly to blame for the behavior as I would tell him to look at the cows, he would see them and then bark. One day my DH and I were hiking with him and Rica and we passed by a field with cows up near the fence. Max looked at them, but didn't make a peep. I think he was shocked that the things he had been barking at were so much bigger than him.
Posted by: arycrest

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/12/13 11:43 AM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Thank you all so much hugging I know it's early days yet but even my parents have commented that she is almost a different dog!

Ruth she is fascinated by the horses across the hill, she sits QUIETLY laugh and watches them! The neighbouring cows she is fine with but on our walk this afternoon, she went cujo at some cows along the road?????
Some dogs are masters at reading human emotions and stress ... sounds like this might have been the case with Miss Moo (at least I hope she's going to continue to do well since you moved). I know my Echo could tell when I was in a bad mood, upset, etc. before I even realized it.

Sending lots of hugs to both Miss Moo and Mr. Cooper!!!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/13/13 03:37 AM

Thank you Johnanna and Gayle hugging

Molly is fine with the black cows next door, maybe about 200m away. These cows were brown (can they tell those 2 colours apart?) and we were a lot closer. Then in the neighbouring paddock 3 black cows came charging the fence and followed us!

Gayle, on Wednesday my parents have people coming here from the building commission, engineers etc for a big meeting so I am taking the dogs back to see Brad. It will be interesting to see how she goes.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/13/13 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca
Gayle, on Wednesday my parents have people coming here from the building commission, engineers etc for a big meeting so I am taking the dogs back to see Brad. It will be interesting to see how she goes.


That will be very interesting!

There could also be something about the house that wasn't agreeing with her....
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/14/13 02:48 AM

I know, I expect her to revert to herself as soon as she sets foot on the property (charging the fence etc) but not too sure what she will be like coming back here.
Posted by: BowWowMeow

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/14/13 05:55 PM

ARe you sure you want to do that? Maybe a nice ride in the car and a little walk somewhere instead? I think it will be hard for all of you to go back there and visit. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/15/13 05:19 AM

Thank you Ruth hugging I have been going down in the mornings to get him up and I need to mow the paddock etc so may as well have the dogs with me. I really hope it wont affect the dogs too much.
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/15/13 05:34 AM

Well you can only take them and if it doesnt go well...particularly for Miss Moo then she can stay at home the next time.

Given the circumstances, hope everythings going as well as it can with your Ex.... I cant imagine it would be easy going back every day....Ive said it before, but you are doing a great job... not everyone would do what you are...
Posted by: Hatterasser

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/15/13 12:39 PM

It will be interesting to see not only how well she does on the old property but meeting up with Brad again. Wonder if she will revert to her old self, ailments and all.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/16/13 04:30 AM

Thank you Marie and Diane hugging Brad is moving back to Queensland in a week and a half so I expect he may see them once more before he goes. But I do think it will be interesting to see how Moo in particular handles it.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/16/13 07:42 AM

Bianca, even dealing with all that you are going through, even managing your own issues emotionally and logistically, you are truly there for Molly. In fact, YOU are her rock. Stable owners produce stable dogs-- and you are well on a path to your own solid stability in your life. Together, you and Moo will only become more solid, more stable, more reliable in your moods, in your miens, in eachother. As you begin to be more aware of your strength, watch Molly become the dog she was meant to be. You're amazing! vaseroses
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/16/13 11:15 AM

Stopping by to send a hugging to you guys...
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/17/13 05:17 AM

Thank you Patti and Lisa hugging hugging laugh Patti poor Moo never stood a chance with me then (being stable)!!!!

Well we made it through the day mostly intact! Molly reverted to her 'normal' self as soon as I let her out the car down there. Barking and alerting to every noise. It was strange as once when she heard a voice down the street, she nutted off as normal but Cooper joined in frown He never does that. I kept waiting for a message to be able to come home (at mum and dads) as it felt awful there and didn't feel like our home anymore.

Anywhoo, Miss Moo appears to be doing well on 1 prozac every second day so another week or so and I'll drop it to every third day. Hopefully a couple days with no more weirdness and she will settle again.
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/17/13 06:48 AM

They also knew that wasn't their home, and that the place made you understandably uneasy. Your home and place is with your Mum and Dad right now, and the dogs both knew it. There's hope and strength there, and every day is a step forward in healing for all of you, physically, emotionally. You're doing a great job, Bianca!
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/17/13 07:08 AM

I think this is another reminder for us to listen to our dogs. What are they telling us, what should we change, or even what is going really good.

I know it is hard to leave what has come to be the familiar, but it can be so rewarding in the long run.

I wish for good things for all of you going forward. hugging
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/17/13 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: PositiveDog

I wish for good things for all of you going forward. hugging


What Bonnie said,

MJ
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/17/13 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Originally Posted By: PositiveDog

I wish for good things for all of you going forward. hugging


What Bonnie said,

MJ


What Bonnie and MJ said..
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/18/13 04:17 AM

Thank you so much ladies, I really appreciate it hugging hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/18/13 08:29 AM




I think they are pretty relaxed here wub
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/18/13 08:44 AM

wub Yes, they look very relaxed.

grouphug
Posted by: Braverhund

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/18/13 09:31 AM

wub wow wub They look wonderful, Bianca-- so relaxed and well! I believe what I've said, that you are on your way upwards to better and brighter days-- all of you! fetch
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/18/13 11:45 AM

Awww... they do look very peaceful and content. I totally agree with Patti and the others and believe that your spirit will continue to lift, along with the spirits of your two wonderful and sweet companions. Here's to brighter days for all of you. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/19/13 05:37 AM

Thank you so much grouphug
Posted by: Barb E

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/19/13 05:39 PM

I really just want to snuggle in on that bed with them!!

smile

hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 04:22 AM

Barb, they would adore that!

Dad turned her ears inside out laugh

Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By: bianca




I'm in love smile
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 01:37 PM

wub
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 02:12 PM

Aww. Moo Moo - what did they do to your ears? Poor baby. hugging

Guess Dad must like her, too. thumbup
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 03:09 PM

Weird about the reaction at the house.

Great pictures, the bed picture is just neat smile and Goofy Moo with her inside out ears!
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/20/13 06:44 PM

Lol.....Miss Moo looks so patient and resigned....it's like of you must and I will humor you and put up with it.

Good to see they are doing so well.
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/21/13 05:25 AM

Thank you all! Bonnie, yes I think my Dad is rather fond of them both!
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/22/13 05:46 AM

Well today we had 3 guys re-doing the piles on the house and the two young guys were besotted with both dog! They shared their hot chips from lunch rofl I had to say I hope for the rest of the week you have salad for lunch; Molly is on a diet! But anywhoo is was nice for the dogs to get some cuddles...one of them even picked Moo up!
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/30/13 04:59 AM

How's Miss Moo doing? Has she continued to find her place of 'zen' each day?
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/30/13 06:01 AM

Oh thank you for asking Marie hugging Not so sure of any zen moments...those cows run at the fence on our walks! But last night she had her last prozac!
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/30/13 06:40 AM

Woo hoo....lets hope Miss Moo remains Prozac free and the cows grow tired of their game.....they are a lot smarter than they look cows.....lol.
Posted by: MaxaLisa

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 04/30/13 04:22 PM

crossedfingers
Posted by: PositiveDog

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/07/13 08:42 AM

Just wondering how Miss Molly Moo is doing this week. smile
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 05:37 AM

Oh thank you for asking hugging She is doing really well! My parents are shocked (to put it mildly) at how calm she is!
Posted by: Barb E

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 09:11 AM

I am so happy to hear Miss Moo is doing so much better
hugging
Posted by: Woodreb

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 09:49 AM

I'm glad to hear that Miss Moo is better.

I think it just goes to show exactly how much they can be in tune to our emotions and situations. grouphug
Posted by: Karin

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 10:37 AM

I'm so glad to hear that Miss Moo is finally calming down. That is really great for everyone! groovy
Posted by: Mary Jane

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 12:44 PM

Now with Molly placid and pretty and Cooper healing during heeling, can we also hope for a little peace of mind for Bianca?
Posted by: Qyn

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/08/13 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Now with Molly placid and pretty and Cooper healing during heeling, can we also hope for a little peace of mind for Bianca?


I echo Mary Jane's lovely and poetic thoughts. hugging Bianca hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/09/13 03:37 AM

Awwwww thank you lovely ladies hugging hugging I'm doing okish too thank you. Went to the employment agency today and also dropped off my CV to a bottle shop that was advertising but they had already hired someone. hugging
Posted by: Natalie559

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/09/13 11:05 AM

Glad things are looking up for you Bianca!
Posted by: Kayos

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/11/13 09:22 PM

Glad the dogs are doing better. Hoping you too are healing and moving on. hugging
Posted by: bianca

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/12/13 03:49 AM

Thank you Natalie and Kathy hugging
Posted by: Shepherds

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( - 05/16/13 08:45 AM

Great to hear Miss Moo is continues to improve and is doing well. Just hope it's the same for her mistress??????